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Subject: the run on the guns?

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Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Future criminals as well. Gabby Gifford's shooter walked into walmart, bought a gun, and killed 12 people.

If you mean to tell me that there is nothing that could have been done, you are a facking idiot.

Please tell me what could have been done. You can not punish people for "thought crime". We do not live in the world of Minority Report.

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Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Adam Lanza used weapons legally purchased by his mother.

Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that a way criminals obtain firearms is by stealing them. Adam Lanza did not obtain them legally. His mother owned them legally. Adam Lanza stole them from his mother's house.

Please think before you post.
If his mother didn't have those guns, all of those kids would still be alive today.

Please think before you post.

  • 12.28.2012 12:09 AM PDT

His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:14 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: AK 47625714
If his mother didn't have those guns, all of those kids would still be alive today.

Please think before you post.


The fact is he obtained them illegally. He stole them. If he didn't steal them all those kids would still be alive today.

Why would do people place blame on anything but the perpetrator? It makes me sick.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

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Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a duck yard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47
You people thinking you can solve every problem by shooting anyone in your way is the problem here.

  • 12.28.2012 12:14 AM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?

You all act like getting a weapon is easy. You act like some random Joe can come home to work, go to a gun store, ask for a gun and then get one. It's simply not the case. The average person does not have the amount of money to buy a gun in this economy. They would rather spend it on groceries and a new TV then a .45 and some ammo.

Not to mention it's not "Hey, can I get the AR-15 right there?" "Sure got the cash? Good, here you go!" You actually have to present I.D., and pass a background check. Well then you say, why can criminals legally buy in some cases? There's background checks! Well the thing is, you don't fail a background test unless you've been caught. I could murder someone, not get caught, then buy a gun. We aren't living in Minority Report. We can't predict who does crime and when they'll do it.

Sure I agree that maybe people with mental illnesses shouldn't get weapons, but you can't prevent that. Many gunman seem socially awkward. It's not until they step over that line that they become the identifiable killer, and by that time ten people are dead. I can bet many people on the Flood are socially awkward, yet I can pretty much guarantee that none of you are going to commit gun crime.

So what makes an AR-15 more deadly than any other gun? Cause it looks scary? Since when did looks kill? By the way the hot blonde neighbor does not count. Anyone who proposes an "Assault Weapons" ban is misinformed. That is the fact. There is nothing that makes this so called 'Assault Weapon' more deadly than your average handgun. In fact in most states you are required to be 21 to purchase a handgun, while only 18 to purchase a rifle.

Let us be honest here. You guys say you want to put mass shootings on the decline, right? If so then keep doing what we have been for the past decade. Mass shootings are on the decline and it's not because of weapon bans or anything like that. It's because of concealed carry gun laws. It's an increase in media. If your so content on infringing on constitutional rights then restrict the media. They do the most damage by sending people into paranoia, causing copy-catters, and bending the truth. It doesn't matter whether it's Conservative, or Liberal. They're both bad.

Ask yourself this. Are you afraid of the responsible gun owner with an AR-15? Or are you afraid of the criminal with a knife? Who would you rather live near? Statistics show that someone on your street owns a gun, are you afraid of them just because they own a gun? There are millions of responsible gun owners in the U.S. alone. Hell probably even in my state, with hundreds of thousand responsible gun owners in my metroplex alone. Out of those millions of people in the country who own guns legally (by legally I mean they went to a shop, went through a background check and purchased the gun, not straw-man gun owning), there are less than a thousand criminals. Of all those gun owners, maybe ten are even remotely likely to go on a mass shooting. Maybe ten.

  • 12.28.2012 12:15 AM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?

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Posted by: AK 47625714
If his mother didn't have those guns, all of those kids would still be alive today.

Please think before you post.

How are you so sure of that? How are you so irrefutably sure that he wouldn't have stolen the guns from somewhere else? How are you so sure that he wasn't crazy enough that he wouldn't wait for the buffer period to buy a gun if he couldn't find one to steal? If guns were banned, how are you so sure that he wouldn't have gotten one from the black market?

You know what there's no point in arguing with people like you. It's not like I'm going to change anything.

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Future criminals as well. Gabby Gifford's shooter walked into walmart, bought a gun, and killed 12 people.

If you mean to tell me that there is nothing that could have been done, you are a facking idiot.

Haha, look at this guy.

If you knew anything about buying guns, you would know that you cannot simply walk into somewhere and buy a gun in a single day. There is a buffer period of 2 weeks (sometimes even more) before you are allowed to receive your firearm. And since when did Walmart start selling guns?

If anything, you're a pretty obvious troll.
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

The suspect purchased his weapon from Walmart on the morning of the shooting.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:17 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

I go there nearly every week, and not once have I ever seen them sell any guns. They sell ammo, but not guns. When was the last time YOU went to Walmart? Obviously never because Walmart doesn't sell guns.

  • 12.28.2012 12:18 AM PDT


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His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a duck yard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47
You people thinking you can solve every problem by shooting anyone in your way is the problem here.


That's probably the most ignorant comment I've seen all night. People don't become problems or get in my way until they threaten my family's life or well being. That's when "problems". Get shot and that's also called self defense and by god I will never give up that right until the day I die.

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Posted by: AgentCOP1
You know what there's no point in arguing with people like you. It's not like I'm going to change anything.
Ah yes, the words of someone who has no counterargument.

  • 12.28.2012 12:19 AM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: crispychicken49I'd be more afraid of the criminal with an Armalite-15 than the criminal with a KA-BAR.

  • 12.28.2012 12:19 AM PDT

Also Walmart does in fact sell firearms in the states where state laws make it feasible. Mostly southern us.

  • 12.28.2012 12:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

I go there nearly every week, and not once have I ever seen them sell any guns. They sell ammo, but not guns. When was the last time YOU went to Walmart? Obviously never because Walmart doesn't sell guns.
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtBLAdxRbpU -dDZuVW9IVzlrSjdSTEt5X2R5YzBVUVE#gid=0[/url]

I'm actually happy to hear that your local walmart doesn't sell guns. But if you had taken the time to research the topic, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself as you currently are.

I'm totally willing to have a friendly debate, but you've been aggressive since the start.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:24 AM PST]

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a duck yard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47
You people thinking you can solve every problem by shooting anyone in your way is the problem here.


That's probably the most ignorant comment I've seen all night. People don't become problems or get in my way until they threaten my family's life or well being. That's when "problems". Get shot and that's also called self defense and by god I will never give up that right until the day I die.
What is the most common reason that someone shoots someone else?

Also the most ignorant thing ITT I've seen is the guy telling me that Australia has more crime than America.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:23 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a duck yard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47
You people thinking you can solve every problem by shooting anyone in your way is the problem here.


That's probably the most ignorant comment I've seen all night. People don't become problems or get in my way until they threaten my family's life or well being. That's when "problems". Get shot and that's also called self defense and by god I will never give up that right until the day I die.
What is the most common reason that someone shoots someone else?


The most common unrighteous shooting is by a criminal enacting a crime

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
The most common unrighteous shooting is by a criminal enacting a crime
Chur, and why does the crim feel he needs to shoot a guy?

  • 12.28.2012 12:26 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714
If his mother didn't have those guns, all of those kids would still be alive today.

Please think before you post.


Wrong. He went to a gun store to buy a weapon before the shooting, but left because he had to wait 3 days. What went through his mind was most likely "Hey, my mom has guns, so I'll just get those, instead of waiting for these." Had his mom not had guns, he would've waited, then done the shooting.

And before you respond. "Well see, criminals can get guns legally!" Your wrong. A criminal is someone who has committed a crime. A crime shows up on a background check, something required to purchase a gun legally. If a crime shows up, that means no gun for you. If you can't understand this then your too dumb to even be counted as human, and you shouldn't be allowed to breed.

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

I go there nearly every week, and not once have I ever seen them sell any guns. They sell ammo, but not guns. When was the last time YOU went to Walmart? Obviously never because Walmart doesn't sell guns.
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtBLAdxRbpU -dDZuVW9IVzlrSjdSTEt5X2R5YzBVUVE#gid=0[/url]

I'm actually happy to hear that your local walmart doesn't sell guns. But if you had taken the time to research the topic, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself as you currently are.

I'm totally willing to have a friendly debate, but you've been aggressive since the start.

I apologize if I'm coming across aggressive. That's not my intent.

I guess I should have researched that before but it just seemed obvious to me because I've never in my entire life seen Walmart sell guns, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. Even if they did sell guns, it would be illegal for them to sell a gun to someone in a single day. It's federal law that all firearm retailers have to wait a buffer period before giving anyone their gun. I highly doubt that Walmart would do that, but if they did, it's illegal and they can be prosecuted in a federal court for that.

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I definitely want to purchase a rifle at some point. I'll probably have to wait until I graduate and get a job so I can afford it and because I can't have one on campus.

I'll admit I don't know too much about guns, but it doesn't take a genius to understand how much the media slants stories about them. My local stations tend to show images of submachine guns to accompany stories involving semi-autos.

  • 12.28.2012 12:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
The most common unrighteous shooting is by a criminal enacting a crime
Chur, and why does the crim feel he needs to shoot a guy?


That's the wrong question to ask. The correct question would be why is the criminal committing a crime. You absolutely can not accuse an innocent victim of enabling a crime. That's the same as saying that its a -blam!- victims fault she was raped because she was dressed provocatively.

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You know what there's no point in arguing with people like you. It's not like I'm going to change anything.
Ah yes, the words of someone who has no counterargument.

Oh yeah, totally. Don't expect a counterargument from me!

  • 12.28.2012 12:31 AM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: crispychicken49I'd be more afraid of the criminal with an Armalite-15 than the criminal with a KA-BAR.

The thing is, a criminal can't get a weapon legally. If he can't get the weapon legally in the first place, then what makes you think a ban is going to stop him? He already has to get the weapon illegally, so what is a ban making that gun illegal to get going to stop him?

Unless of course he gets the gun before he becomes a criminal, in which case the law can't stop him because, guess what, we aren't MINORITY REPORT. We cannot predict the future. To arrest someone because you "think" they will kill someone is unlawful and against our constitution.

Also link me a situation where a criminal legally purchased an AR-15, while they were a criminal, and used it in crime? The local drug dealer doesn't use it because you can't hide an AR-15 in your saggy pants like you can a Glock.

  • 12.28.2012 12:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)
He had easy access to guns, and those guns made it easier to kill innocent children. If his mother didn't have those guns, then those kids would still be alive. This is an irrefutable fact.

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47Cool ad hominem, bro. Is it because you don't actually have an argument?

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

I go there nearly every week, and not once have I ever seen them sell any guns. They sell ammo, but not guns. When was the last time YOU went to Walmart? Obviously never because Walmart doesn't sell guns.
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtBLAdxRbpU -dDZuVW9IVzlrSjdSTEt5X2R5YzBVUVE#gid=0[/url]

I'm actually happy to hear that your local walmart doesn't sell guns. But if you had taken the time to research the topic, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself as you currently are.

I'm totally willing to have a friendly debate, but you've been aggressive since the start.

I apologize if I'm coming across aggressive. That's not my intent.

I guess I should have researched that before but it just seemed obvious to me because I've never in my entire life seen Walmart sell guns, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. Even if they did sell guns, it would be illegal for them to sell a gun to someone in a single day. It's federal law that all firearm retailers have to wait a buffer period before giving anyone their gun. I highly doubt that Walmart would do that, but if they did, it's illegal and they can be prosecuted in a federal court for that.
Don't worry about the walmart thing, if I had never seen guns at walmart I would have thought the same thing.

Then what of sales at gun shows? Why are they still legal? See it's little things like this that we can change. Every single intelligent gun control advocate believes that disarming legal gun owners doesn't work, but we still believe that there are SOME things that we can change. Even though these little things will allow Americans to defend themselves, while still saving lives, it is shot down (unintentional pun) by pro-gun people every single time. People on both sides need to come together to find a solution, besides shutting your ears and claiming that there is nothing that can be done.

All I know is that the shooter bought the gun at Walmart on the morning of the shooting. Maybe the buffer period is a new thing, I don't know.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:39 AM PST]

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