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Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?

so you want a source?


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Posted by: crispychicken49I'd be more afraid of the criminal with an Armalite-15 than the criminal with a KA-BAR.
o_o good lord man, are yeh daft?

have ye' not being payin' attention to this thread?

Criminals really aren't using the ARs. it's cheapo small handguns in weak calibers that they specialize in. hence why the AWB is useless. please educate yourself. it is not hard, we are not trying to spin "our side" or any lies. only spreading facts. hell we even collected them in this thread for easy viewing.

ignoring them facts doesn't further your position. only makes you look less mature and more childish. kinda like mr morgan's attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

it's not the trained average joe you have to fear. it's the criminals.

  • 12.28.2012 12:36 AM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?


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Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)
He had easy access to guns, and those guns made it easier to kill innocent children. If his mother didn't have those guns, then those kids would still be alive. This is an irrefutable fact.


Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47Cool ad hominem, bro. Is it because you don't actually have an argument?


He didn't have easy access. He had to murder his own mother to get them. If you think that's easy then you should go see a psychiatrist.

  • 12.28.2012 12:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: BooKooVooDoo

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)
He had easy access to guns, and those guns made it easier to kill innocent children. If his mother didn't have those guns, then those kids would still be alive. This is an irrefutable fact.


Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47Cool ad hominem, bro. Is it because you don't actually have an argument?


He didn't have easy access. He had to murder his own mother to get them. If you think that's easy then you should go see a psychiatrist.
They were in his home. Seems like easy access to me.

  • 12.28.2012 12:38 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)
He had easy access to guns, and those guns made it easier to kill innocent children. If his mother didn't have those guns, then those kids would still be alive. This is an irrefutable fact.

Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47Cool ad hominem, bro. Is it because you don't actually have an argument?


ARE YOU DENSE!?!?! Do you not read between the lines, or are you the kind of person that watches what the news says, and takes that as the irrefutable fact? He tried to purchase a weapon, but he had to wait. He decided to take his mom's guns, but if she hadn't had guns, he would've went through the process of buying that gun, and killed the kids with that.

  • 12.28.2012 12:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
When was the last time you were at Walmart?

I go there nearly every week, and not once have I ever seen them sell any guns. They sell ammo, but not guns. When was the last time YOU went to Walmart? Obviously never because Walmart doesn't sell guns.
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I'm actually happy to hear that your local walmart doesn't sell guns. But if you had taken the time to research the topic, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself as you currently are.

I'm totally willing to have a friendly debate, but you've been aggressive since the start.

I apologize if I'm coming across aggressive. That's not my intent.

I guess I should have researched that before but it just seemed obvious to me because I've never in my entire life seen Walmart sell guns, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. Even if they did sell guns, it would be illegal for them to sell a gun to someone in a single day. It's federal law that all firearm retailers have to wait a buffer period before giving anyone their gun. I highly doubt that Walmart would do that, but if they did, it's illegal and they can be prosecuted in a federal court for that.
Don't worry about the walmart thing, if I had never seen guns at walmart I would have thought the same thing.

Then what of sales at gun shows? Why are they still legal? See it's little things like this that we can change. Every single intelligent gun control advocate believes that disarming legal gun owners doesn't work, but we still believe that there are SOME things that we can change, and we're more than disgusted with the country's gung-ho attitude towards guns.

All I know is that the shooter bought the gun at Walmart on the morning of the shooting. Maybe the buffer period is a new thing, I don't know.

Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

  • 12.28.2012 12:40 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
His mother owned those guns legally. He had to murder her to get them. Someone that can kill his mother and a bunch of children is obviously not the problem here, gun ownership is (sarcasm)
He had easy access to guns, and those guns made it easier to kill innocent children. If his mother didn't have those guns, then those kids would still be alive. This is an irrefutable fact.


Also I can't take anti gun talk seriously when it comes from a -blam!-tard with the first four characters if his username being Ak 47Cool ad hominem, bro. Is it because you don't actually have an argument?


He didn't have easy access. He had to murder his own mother to get them. If you think that's easy then you should go see a psychiatrist.
They were in his home. Seems like easy access to me.


Ok go murder your mom and tell me how easy it was

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Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Ok go murder your mom and tell me how easy it was
And you just went full retard.

We're done here.

  • 12.28.2012 12:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Ok go murder your mom and tell me how easy it was
Well that escalated quickly...



Posted by: AK 47625714
And you just went full retard.

We're done here.
This.

goodnight flood.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:43 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.

  • 12.28.2012 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Ok go murder your mom and tell me how easy it was
Well that escalated quickly...
This thread escalated long before.

  • 12.28.2012 12:43 AM PDT
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deej pls

Shucks. Hopefully prices go back down so I can get an assualt rifle soon. Any recommendations?

  • 12.28.2012 12:44 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Ok go murder your mom and tell me how easy it was
And you just went full retard.

We're done here.


You are the one that's been going full retard. You are basically blaming his mother (innocent victim). Of indirectly murdering children and herself. Do I need to restate the rap3 victim analogy?

Edit: I also apologize for that comment. It was in poor taste.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:47 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
I bought two rifles today without a background check (then again, 1 wouldn't require a background check due to it's age) and guess what, I wasn't at a gun show.

99% of people selling guns at gun shows are store owners because they're the only people that could stand to make a profit at a gun show.


Posted by: RogueRainbowX
Shucks. Hopefully prices go back down so I can get an assualt rifle soon. Any recommendations?
A legit assault rifle won't be going down in price ever.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 12:46 AM PST]

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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

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  • 12.28.2012 12:50 AM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Then what of sales at gun shows? Why are they still legal?
why are car sales legal at car shows? same basic principle: because guns are private property.

the gunshow loop hole you speak of doesn't actually exist.

and the term is actually invented by the brady campaign...who's founder(sarah brady)'s stated sole mission is to "disarm all gun owners for there to be no opposition for our changes to a socialist utopia."

many shows have a lot of the tables being FFL dealers who do in fact conduct background checks via 4473/NICS.

there is no way in fact for there to be a background check for a private person to person sale. so what is done is a bill of sale, much like for any other valuable item sold, but including your name, current address, and a photocopy of your valid in-state I.D.

in case of crime committed seller gives data to police, they track down the buyer.


this is how the law is everywhere in the united states except cali, who requires that all private transfers go through a licensed dealer who then charges an absurdly high fee for his service rendered.

  • 12.28.2012 12:53 AM PDT

No one is saying that certain laws don't need to be adjusted. We are however saying that aw bans etc are not the ones that need to be adjusted.

  • 12.28.2012 12:53 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

Who thinks that isn't a problem? Nobody. Everyone agrees that is a problem. It's when people result to banning the tool used instead of the real fault. I could kill people with a hammer, does that mean hammers should be banned? I could make a bow out of jungle material, does that mean the trees should be banned? Why should guns be banned if a gun can't do anything without someone behind the trigger. Give me one instance where a gun has walked around and killed others before.

  • 12.28.2012 12:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: crispychicken49

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

Who thinks that isn't a problem? Nobody. Everyone agrees that is a problem. It's when people result to banning the tool used instead of the real fault. I could kill people with a hammer, does that mean hammers should be banned? I could make a bow out of jungle material, does that mean the trees should be banned? Why should guns be banned if a gun can't do anything without someone behind the trigger. Give me one instance where a gun has walked around and killed others before.
A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

A hammer's isn't.

  • 12.28.2012 12:57 AM PDT
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Hey look, facts.

extra stuff

When I actually gain the ability to buy a home defense weapon (money is my issue) I will buy one.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 1:01 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 12:58 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: crispychicken49

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

Who thinks that isn't a problem? Nobody. Everyone agrees that is a problem. It's when people result to banning the tool used instead of the real fault. I could kill people with a hammer, does that mean hammers should be banned? I could make a bow out of jungle material, does that mean the trees should be banned? Why should guns be banned if a gun can't do anything without someone behind the trigger. Give me one instance where a gun has walked around and killed others before.
A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

A hammer's isn't.


A gun is a tool. Like any other tool it has many functions. Self defense, sportsmanship etc. the function of a tool differs by the person who is using it. Someone can in fact use a hammer to hammer a nail... Or someone's skull.

  • 12.28.2012 12:59 AM PDT
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Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 1:02 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 1:01 AM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: crispychicken49

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

Who thinks that isn't a problem? Nobody. Everyone agrees that is a problem. It's when people result to banning the tool used instead of the real fault. I could kill people with a hammer, does that mean hammers should be banned? I could make a bow out of jungle material, does that mean the trees should be banned? Why should guns be banned if a gun can't do anything without someone behind the trigger. Give me one instance where a gun has walked around and killed others before.
A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

A hammer's isn't.
O RLY NAO?

  • 12.28.2012 1:03 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: crispychicken49

Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Oh no, it's been around for quite a while. Just go to any gun retailer and they'll tell you. I agree that gun shows where you can buy a gun without any background check should be illegal, but outright banning guns is just foolish and it will never work.

It's getting too late I have to go to bed. Nighty night lol.

Why do people demonize gun shows? Anytime a citizen sells a firearm privately, they do not have to run a background check on the buyer.

It's not like this only takes place at gun shows.
Any psychopath can get a gun via private sale and decide to shoot up an elementary school.

And you don't think that's a problem?

Who thinks that isn't a problem? Nobody. Everyone agrees that is a problem. It's when people result to banning the tool used instead of the real fault. I could kill people with a hammer, does that mean hammers should be banned? I could make a bow out of jungle material, does that mean the trees should be banned? Why should guns be banned if a gun can't do anything without someone behind the trigger. Give me one instance where a gun has walked around and killed others before.
A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

A hammer's isn't.

No, a gun's sole purpose is to fire a projectile at a target. That target could be living or non-living. When you say that the sole purpose of a gun is to kill then your saying that anyone who fires a gun at a target is misusing the weapon, which is actually the opposite. Someone firing a gun at a target instead of a human is being a responsible gun owner.

It's like saying a beer's sole purpose is to get people drunk. The purpose of beer is to be a beverage for someone to drink.

  • 12.28.2012 1:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.

  • 12.28.2012 1:03 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.

So what you are saying is that someone firing a gun at a paper target is misuse? They're not killing anything so they're using it against it's purpose. Something used for something other than its purpose is misuse now isn't it?

[Edited on 12.28.2012 1:07 AM PST]

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