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Subject: Why is MLG held in low regard?

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I don't know anything about it now, but in the days of Halo 2/Halo 3/Halo: Reach it was plauged by wannabees.

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  • 12.27.2012 2:40 PM PDT

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I hold MLG in low regard because of the outrageous following it has developed. The majority of those who'd venture to an MLG convention don't seem like the type to help make the world go round.

I despise the culture that MLG fosters. Over-aggressiveness, horrid sportsmanship, and absolute lack of respect. Trash talking is not seen as a poor conduct, but as a tactic. There's something fundamentally wrong with that, if you ask me.

I can't say anything about MLG pro's, but I have had a fair taste of the MLG following, and I hate it.

  • 12.27.2012 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Acres 057
I hold MLG in low regard because of the outrageous following it has developed. The majority of those who'd venture to an MLG convention don't seem like the type to help make the world go round.

I despise the culture that MLG fosters. Over-aggressiveness, horrid sportsmanship, and absolute lack of respect. Trash talking is not seen as a poor conduct, but as a tactic. There's something fundamentally wrong with that, if you ask me.

I can't say anything about MLG pro's, but I have had a fair taste of the MLG following, and I hate it.
for me it is this

  • 12.27.2012 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
Long story short. They turned Halo from a story based game into a super elite competetive multiplayer arena.


I wouldn't say Halo started out as "story-focused." It certainly has a much weaker plot than Marathon 1 did. I would say it's an action-focused game with the decency to provide a pretext for the action.

While Halo 2 did have a stronger plot than 3, I really don't see how MLG had anything to do with that. Even attempting to argue that the popularity of multiplayer caused this is difficult, so trying to argue that it was caused by a relatively small portion of the playerbase is even more outlandish.

As for MLG, the community itself is rather irritating, and it's basically as useless as sports but without the athletic ability or teamwork (outside of the actual players). Honestly, the fact that so many children idolize it is funny, if not a little sad.

I also find their gametypes tend to be a bit boring, and honestly they make the game feel dumbed-down. Reducing the number of variables you have to account for doesn't equal "skill" in my opinion. That said, I have (so far) always had the option to not play their gametypes.

All in all, I've never had a problem with the organization itself, but it's not something I'm interested in or want to be a part of.

  • 12.27.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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Because the MLG community aims to ruin most games.

Think about it, Halo was fun for me because BTB and vehicles. The MLG community hates everything that isn't MLG (Battle Rifles) on the Pit. I got so sick of people telling Bungie, and now 343i, things need to be changed because it wasn't a game that favored kids who only wanted to out-BR the other team.

When the MLG community warms up to playing a game for what it is, then I'll consider watching their streams again. Until then I hate them.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 3:03 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 2:48 PM PDT

People who hate on MLG have often sounded like huge geeks IMO.

  • 12.27.2012 2:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Silentone2
Reducing the number of variables you have to account for doesn't equal "skill" in my opinion.
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  • 12.27.2012 2:51 PM PDT

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The apathetic force us to persevere, with their backwards priorities.

Most "MLG pros" are arrogant about their ability to dominate in a fictional video game.

  • 12.27.2012 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: IslocStarkiller
Most "MLG pros" are arrogant about their ability to dominate in a fictional video game.


They are? Cause every tournament I've been to, they were down to earth normal dudes.

  • 12.27.2012 2:54 PM PDT

It's not.


I watch MLG Arena all the time. Love the production quality and the tournament they put on.

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Posted by: Acres 057
I hold MLG in low regard because of the outrageous following it has developed. The majority of those who'd venture to an MLG convention don't seem like the type to help make the world go round.

I despise the culture that MLG fosters. Over-aggressiveness, horrid sportsmanship, and absolute lack of respect. Trash talking is not seen as a poor conduct, but as a tactic. There's something fundamentally wrong with that, if you ask me.

I can't say anything about MLG pro's, but I have had a fair taste of the MLG following, and I hate it.

Yeah, the attitude going on here is just disgusting.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 3:02 PM PST]

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Posted by: Noshotskill
Because the MLG community aims to ruin most games.

Think about it, Halo was fun for me because BTB and vehicles. The MLG community hates everything that isn't MLG (Battle Rifles) on the Pit. I got so sick of people telling Bungie, and now 343i, things need to be changed because it wasn't a game that favored kids who only wanted to out-BR the other team.

When the MLG community warms up to playing a game for what it is, then I'll consider watching their streams again. Until then I hate them.
So play in playlists and gametypes with Vehicles then.

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Because MLG is a joke. There are much better competitive gaming outlets that don't carry the trash that MLG does.

EDIT: Keep in mind I'm saying this primarily as a PC gamer.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 3:07 PM PST]

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Posted by: Mr Pinata
Because MLG is a joke. There are much better competitive gaming outlets that don't carry the trash that MLG does.
No there isn't.

  • 12.27.2012 3:06 PM PDT

Posted by: deltahalo UK
'entirely' true?
Bang your head?
Not really, it seems the only spot where we disagree is here:
the difference between the more relaxed types and MLG types is that an MLG fan/player seems to constantly be in 'competitive mode' with no off switch.I feel that quite a few MLG types are the relaxed players you speak of. Like I agreed with in my original post, I feel a lot of the dislike or hate for MLG is because a lot of people lump the rude / people without chill switch players in and use that to make inferences about MLG as a whole. The fact of the matter is that those players exist for any community out there, and you should never punish the entire community for the actions of those players.

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  • 12.27.2012 3:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Noshotskill
Because the MLG community aims to ruin most games.

Think about it, Halo was fun for me because BTB and vehicles. The MLG community hates everything that isn't MLG (Battle Rifles) on the Pit. I got so sick of people telling Bungie, and now 343i, things need to be changed because it wasn't a game that favored kids who only wanted to out-BR the other team.

When the MLG community warms up to playing a game for what it is, then I'll consider watching their streams again. Until then I hate them.
So play in playlists and gametypes with Vehicles then.

I do, but its annoying listening to everyone in the MLG community who demands changes because it doesn't fit their play style. Halo was just an example. MLG really only features games with an even playing field. I don't hate the MLG organization, but I hate the MLG community's attitudes when it comes to the games played on the circuit.

  • 12.27.2012 3:08 PM PDT

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>Likes MLG
>Considers himself a casual player

But MLG isn't held in low regard always. It's fun to watch.

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Posted by: Noshotskill

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Posted by: Noshotskill
Because the MLG community aims to ruin most games.

Think about it, Halo was fun for me because BTB and vehicles. The MLG community hates everything that isn't MLG (Battle Rifles) on the Pit. I got so sick of people telling Bungie, and now 343i, things need to be changed because it wasn't a game that favored kids who only wanted to out-BR the other team.

When the MLG community warms up to playing a game for what it is, then I'll consider watching their streams again. Until then I hate them.
So play in playlists and gametypes with Vehicles then.

I do, but its annoying listening to everyone in the MLG community who demands changes because it doesn't fit their play style. Halo was just an example. MLG really only features games with an even playing field. I don't hate the MLG organization, but I hate the MLG community's attitudes when it comes to the games played on the circuit.
They have their own settings in their own playlist that you never have to play if you don't want to.

It's not just the MLG community who complains about the games. They make their own gametypes and maps and play with them. In fact, it's the rest of the Halo community that generally are the ones who complain. And sometimes rightfully so.

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Posted by: Mr Pinata
Because MLG is a joke. There are much better competitive gaming outlets that don't carry the trash that MLG does.
No there isn't.

You probably think that MLG is the only competitive gaming outlet don't you?

Take your pick
Ongamenet Starleague
MBCgame Starleague
ESEA League
Pro Gaming League
European Gaming League
Asian Gaming League
ESL Extreme Masters
ESL Major Series
NGL One
Evolution Championship Series
Tougeki Super Battle Opera
World Cyber Games
Cyber Evolution
Electronic Sports World Cup
IGN Pro League

MLG is considered a joke outside the realm of consoles.

There's a particular incident where a couple pro LoL teams spelled out MLGSUX with their draft pick bans in the middle of MLGs own tournament.

  • 12.27.2012 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford
But MLG isn't held in low regard always. It's fun to watch.


This.

Its also nice to walk into a Halo playlist knowing that there's very little bull-blam!-, even compared to the rest of the game, and for the most part know the people you are playing with want a good game as well.

  • 12.27.2012 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Pinata
Posted by: I give tuggers

Posted by: Mr Pinata
Because MLG is a joke. There are much better competitive gaming outlets that don't carry the trash that MLG does.
No there isn't.

You probably think that MLG is the only competitive gaming outlet don't you?

Take your pick
Ongamenet Starleague
MBCgame Starleague
ESEA League
Pro Gaming League
European Gaming League
Asian Gaming League
ESL Extreme Masters
ESL Major Series
NGL One
Evolution Championship Series
Tougeki Super Battle Opera
World Cyber Games
Cyber Evolution
Electronic Sports World Cup
IGN Pro League

MLG is considered a joke outside the realm of consoles.

There's a particular incident where a couple pro LoL teams spelled out MLGSUX with their draft pick bans in the middle of MLGs own tournament.
I wasn't talking about PC gaming. On consoles, MLG has the most recognition on consoles; consoles appeal to a wider audience than PC gaming.

  • 12.27.2012 3:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford
But MLG isn't held in low regard always. It's fun to watch.


This.

Its also nice to walk into a Halo playlist knowing that there's very little bull-blam!-, even compared to the rest of the game, and for the most part know the people you are playing with want a good game as well.

Part of the reason why I like it. Many of the gamers who either partake in MLG competitively, or else in the playlist, are for some reason marginalized as nerdy, no lifers, etc. Several of the MLG pros actually had to arrange entering tournaments to fit into their college lives, such as T2 and several others. Not sure of the rest.

Simply because a few who enter into MLG are arrogant in what they believe makes the best sandbox of game play does not mean that all people are like that. I enjoyed MLG customs a lot in H3, but I played BTB more than anything else. MLG is held in low regard, ultimately, because the people who are casting judgement on a small percentage of the population are just as ignorant as they are.

#floodlogic

  • 12.27.2012 3:20 PM PDT

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I dislike their weapon preferences. -blam!-, those guns were put in the game for a reason. Don't take them out because you don't like them. Also, they are elitists.

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Posted by: goatman327
I dislike their weapon preferences. -blam!-, those guns were put in the game for a reason. Don't take them out because you don't like them. Also, they are elitists.
They're trying to balance the game as much as possible, not just take stuff out because they "don't like it".

If you don't enjoy the settings, don't play the gametypes. Simple.

  • 12.27.2012 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: goatman327
I dislike their weapon preferences. -blam!-, those guns were put in the game for a reason. Don't take them out because you don't like them. Also, they are elitists.

...But isn't that an elitist attitude to take as well, saying it must be there because that is how it was originally? You must really, really dislike ipods and mp3 players, as they altered how music was originally intended to be performed! And don't even get me started on cars!

There is no need to take such a deterministic stance on this. Just because one group favors it one way doesn't mean it is is better, or they believe it is greater, except when comments like this are made.

  • 12.27.2012 3:23 PM PDT

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