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Posted by: grey101
1. The amount of losses the covenant were taking is rather unacceptable. The last time i did the math both side lost around 2,000 ships. How is the idea weird when you think it is perfectly ok?
Can you tell us how did you do the math?
Can you do a math on how many losses the UNSC had?
Can you do a math on how many ships the Covenant had at the end of the war vs the UNSC?
Cole alone is responsible for majority of the covenant loses and chief is right behind him. two people Did more damage to the covenant than the covenant did to us. Clearly that is an issue.
Wait.... are you saying 117 took down a lot of ships?
I confess that i did not read all of the novels and comic books so out of this 2,000 taken down.... how many did 117 destroy?
It was clearly stated in FS that the covenant emulate not innovate which the humans do. Meaning they just crudely copied forerunner tech and though that alone was enough to give them supremacy. But they don't understand the technology nor do they use it efficiently. Which is what screwed them over.
What does this have to do with anything? They tech was better, that's the point. And at the end of the way they STILL have it and STILL grossly outnumber what the UNSC has.
2.We are talking about ship engagements, the entire spartan III program was based off those actions but that doesn't represent what the UNSC was doing as a whole. You act like everybody knows they were sending 3-6 year olds to their deaths which isn't true. The war was based off navel engagements not land ones, hence why john and the other spartans felt so worthless during the battle of reach.
What does everyone knowing anything have to do with this conversation? So reply to the goofiest things, man.
And you might want to retract that statement since no spartan in reach completed a suicidal attack. somebody had to stay on the ship to activate the "bomb" because it was messed up, nothing about bravado. Carter had to crash into the pelican because there wasn't any other way to bypass it not to mention he was dying.
2 out of 6 isn't half nor were their deaths suicidal in the way you are trying to make it
Original Noble 6 also died in a suicidal attack.
And sorry but all of that are suicidal tactics.
3. Sit down and publicly explain why plasma is inherently better than ballistics. It doesn't have anything to do with halo and this forum had this talk about 3 years ago.
If it doesnt have to do with Halo ....... why is this even in the discussion? We are not talking about ACTUAL real life plasma we are discussing plasma weaponry from a video game.
This SHOULD be the end of this reply but the stuff you put down was too funny so i have to reply to it for kicks.
First off you can see plasma traveling through air/space which gets you the heads up to try getting out of the way. You can't see a bullet flying through the air and in space you would only see missiles and a laser depending.
Last time i checked Spartans are the only folks that could come close to NEO to evading something traveling seriously fasts so seeing a little ball glowing doesnt automatically save you.
By the way even in war soldiers use these things call tracers which are bullets that show their paths. You see a little glowing thing fly through the air...so yeah.
Not only that but soldier can tell a lot of info based on sound alone so seeing a bullet isnt really the first thing that warns some one.
If i shoot you in the arm with a plasma rifle the arm will be gone, catheterized, and you wouldn't feel any pain because the limb was pretty much burned off.
Now shoot another person in the arm with a rifle and it gets messy. You have to worry about if the bullet(s) hit a vein or passed cleanly. It honestly goes from there but generally if you get shot in the arm the only thing keeping you going on is adrenaline If we are talking about a warzone. Even then that might not be enough for you to ignore the damage to your arm and keep fighting. Sure you can switch arms but if you can't actually make that work then you will have to be patched up by a medical right there or taken off the filedp
So plasma sucks because it catheterized the wound?
So plasma puts little tubes in the wounds it causes? What's the purpose of that and where do these tubes come from?
Oh you mean cauterize wound. Oh yea, this is true, because a normal person is fine if their arm gets blown off because the wound is also burned in the process. They just keep going like the Black Knight, "Tis' but a scratch!"
THEN, if you want to be a badass and just completely ignore the wound. You have to worry about the bullet fragmenting in you arm or subserviently wherever it landed, which if not[/n] a good thing. You're a kid do you like iron man? Do you know [b]why he has the arc reactor in his chest? To keep the shrapnel from an explosion (which wasn't caused by plasma) away from his heart.
Iron man probably wouldnt be Iron man with plasma weaponry cause he would have been stickied..... so he would be deadman.
Ground wise it is factual that Ballistics would be a better choice. In space it doesn't even make a difference with the hull plating the UNSC has. The main reason it was an issue was because the UNSC doesn't but it's ship with redundancies and how the ships are designed. Regardless of what is being used generally any significant damage anywhere to a UNSC ship is a problem. The covenant on the other hand can seriously drop more than half of the ship and be perfectly fine.
So it was a problem....
In the books we see countless times that other UNSC ships will rush towards the plasma torpedoes to block them form the main fleet. Can you rush towards a MAC round to take the blow? No, because you can't see it nor react fast enough to do anything about it.
Why didnt you compare the UNSC weapons to the best Covenant weapons? Isnt that strange? I think you did this to try to make your point but you forgot that other people can, you know, point out this fault in your argument.
By the way, what ships are you talking about in this example? Cause if it was a smaller Covie ship vs a larger UNSC ship, you know, i guess the UNSC could take a bit more damage.
4.What exactly are you talking about by "stealth"? Because you aren't saying or elaborating on it other than saying that one word as if i am suppose to know what you are talking about. The only time the covenant use stealth is with ossoona's which are purely for stealth recon or recovery. Spec ops elite again aren't much since the UNSC has Thermal imagery and can easily detect that.
The only major stealth moment the covenant truly had was with the crazy ass elites in Headhunters, which has yet to be explained. So state what you are talking about instead of a single word.
Oh nothing, you win.
Celebrate.
Good times.
Come on.
5. Halo CE is tricky because in the original book the covenant were already there It was the UNSC randomly showing up that surprised them and made them wonder if we followed them. So you might want to give another example as speed was only relevant in the rate the covenant could attack.
Let me get this straight............... you are questioning the continuity of Halo Combat Evolved?
I....i..... really?
6. Are you stupid? The spartans and there allies were outnumber [n]by the thousands[/b] and you are seriously telling me that them holding off for a few days doesn't represent my point that mindless rushing with numbers doesn't give you an advantage?
Yes.... because the number DIDNT matter AT ALL in this battle. Not only that but the were SEVERAL tactics used in that battle the Greeks didnt just stay there and held like in the movie which seems to be your point of reference.
And none of that has any place in these space battles where there arent any choke points.
7. If you are using wikipedia as source then you are the fool here. My grandfather was in WW2 and he made it clear to me that sometimes they couldn't even sleep because they just keep getting rushed and rushed and rushed With all the old japanese stuff he preserved from some of the men he killed personally I don't think he was bluffing.
Especially when he had a few medals and i come from a military family. So what the hell are you laughing at about my statement since it is fully accurate.
Sorry but your gramp's statement could not be any less accurate of a statement. Since, you know, it has basically NO information about the enemy forces at all except that.... there were there and they attacked.
How about we actually get some info from some history books or places which some more reliable information. And yes that means Wiki, not that i actually used it.