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Subject: Halo 4 Would you have preferred a proper Didact fight?

I liked the actual fight (fighting hordes of enemies with amazing soundtrack while Cortana beats the Didact's shields), but the quick-time event was just unnecessary. A cutscene would have done fine.

And people: Halo always had very bad bossfights. Compared to the Guilty Spark I think Halo 4 did pretty fine.

  • 12.28.2012 1:48 PM PDT

Posted by: FatherlyNick
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What if Jul 'Mdama or some other character was fought instead of the Didact? What would people think of that? I'm not sure if there should be a boss fight just for the sake of having a boss fight

  • 12.28.2012 1:51 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

If we didn't get a fight in this game, we will most certainly get a proper fight in Halo 5 or 6.
That would be very awesome.

  • 12.28.2012 1:56 PM PDT

Just remember that no matter how terrible you feel, or how much you want to let go, there are people who care about you and love you.

I miss boss-fights, so yes.

  • 12.28.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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Just an Average Joe...

Has it occurred to ANY of you, that what we saw in Halo 4, was probably not the true ending or death of Didact?

They're making a trilogy dubbed, the "Reclaimer Trilogy". Considering Didact is the driving force that wishes to stop the humans from taking over the Mantle, I think it's safe to say that he has only temporarily bowed out to regroup and strategize against the human race. So, if that's the case, then it would make sense to reserve an epic battle between antagonist and protagonist for near the end of the trilogy... Not in the first title.

  • 12.28.2012 2:10 PM PDT

Posted by: FatherlyNick
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Posted by: Helveck
Has it occurred to ANY of you, that what we saw in Halo 4, was probably not the true ending or death of Didact?

They're making a trilogy dubbed, the "Reclaimer Trilogy". Considering Didact is the driving force that wishes to stop the humans from taking over the Mantle, I think it's safe to say that he has only temporarily bowed out to regroup and strategize against the human race. So, if that's the case, then it would make sense to reserve an epic battle between antagonist and protagonist for near the end of the trilogy... Not in the first title.


Yes, several people mentioned it in here

I still wish we got at least something to fight though

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naw i would rather had a cut scene guilty spark was a just as anti climatic

  • 12.28.2012 2:11 PM PDT


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Posted by: Helveck
Has it occurred to ANY of you, that what we saw in Halo 4, was probably not the true ending or death of Didact?

They're making a trilogy dubbed, the "Reclaimer Trilogy". Considering Didact is the driving force that wishes to stop the humans from taking over the Mantle, I think it's safe to say that he has only temporarily bowed out to regroup and strategize against the human race. So, if that's the case, then it would make sense to reserve an epic battle between antagonist and protagonist for near the end of the trilogy... Not in the first title.


Yes, several people mentioned it in here

I still wish we got at least something to fight though


A climactic boss fight that leads no where because you don't even kill him? That'd be worse, because it's just a tease.

I'd rather them save it for when it's needed.

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Longer, 3rd person cutscene.

3rd person cutscenes>1st person cutscenes

  • 12.28.2012 2:21 PM PDT

Posted by: FatherlyNick
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Ah, who am i kidding, we are all basement dwellers...

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Posted by: PROBLEM23323

Posted by: Helveck
Has it occurred to ANY of you, that what we saw in Halo 4, was probably not the true ending or death of Didact?

They're making a trilogy dubbed, the "Reclaimer Trilogy". Considering Didact is the driving force that wishes to stop the humans from taking over the Mantle, I think it's safe to say that he has only temporarily bowed out to regroup and strategize against the human race. So, if that's the case, then it would make sense to reserve an epic battle between antagonist and protagonist for near the end of the trilogy... Not in the first title.


Yes, several people mentioned it in here

I still wish we got at least something to fight though


A climactic boss fight that leads no where because you don't even kill him? That'd be worse, because it's just a tease.

I'd rather them save it for when it's needed.


I meant someone who isn't the Didact

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I want a final boss battle against him that ends with a quick time event. Specifically, one where John gets the Didact's helmet off and blows his head off his shoulders with a shotgun at point blank.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: PROBLEM23323

Posted by: Helveck
Has it occurred to ANY of you, that what we saw in Halo 4, was probably not the true ending or death of Didact?

They're making a trilogy dubbed, the "Reclaimer Trilogy". Considering Didact is the driving force that wishes to stop the humans from taking over the Mantle, I think it's safe to say that he has only temporarily bowed out to regroup and strategize against the human race. So, if that's the case, then it would make sense to reserve an epic battle between antagonist and protagonist for near the end of the trilogy... Not in the first title.


Yes, several people mentioned it in here

I still wish we got at least something to fight though


A climactic boss fight that leads no where because you don't even kill him? That'd be worse, because it's just a tease.

I'd rather them save it for when it's needed.


I meant someone who isn't the Didact
maybe uber battlewagon knights that defend each of the terminals?

  • 12.28.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Just do a cutscene. QTE's seem so contrived anyways.

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Posted by: burritosenior

There were three options.

1. A cutscene. No player interaction but a continuous sequence going uninterrupted by anything else.
2. What we have, where you could at least interact and feel like you're a part of what is going on.
3. A terrible fight that completely and utterly breaks the 4th wall by the sheer stupidity of the situation.

343 chose #2, obviously the superior choice of #3, though only arguably better than #1. I don't understand why people would rather say '-blam!- the story if it will look cool' than 'tell a good story.' Casuals...

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
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Halo's not a series that can do propper boss fights due to its regenerating health mechanics. There's no sense of progression in a boss fight, and they either need to kill Chief in one hit (frustrating or not fun) or damage him a little... Only to have him recover a few seconds later. If there was some sort of ENVIRONMENT used as a perminent health system to protect chief from one hit kills, promote movement and gradually lose cover or some sort of health (generators?), then progression could be had and Halo could have boss fights that would work.

Have generators with a revived Cortana protect Chief from the Didact's force powers from a bit and then have Chief have to dodge projectile attacks and plan out ways to damage Didact with the environment. Not just fusion coil shooting, have a Mac cannon that eventually gets blown up, limited fuel rod and rockets that are put in hard to reach spots, energy beams Didact has to be knocked into by ramming him with a Banshee or Pelican. Creative stuff like that instead of just shooting Didact.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 2:32 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 2:26 PM PDT

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CHROME.

Posted by: bjb yo
and there was always the upgrade the Librarian gave him that could have magically popped up out of nowhere when you needed it

It did, it makes him immune to the composer, that's why he never died on the level where the Didact uses it on the meteor station.

  • 12.28.2012 2:29 PM PDT

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No since he isn't dead. If you think it was anti-climactic the way it is then it would be outright disappointing to kill the boss and suddenly discover in the next game that the time you spent trying to kill him meant absolutely nothing.

Why would you wish for another Mass Effect ending?

  • 12.28.2012 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: foreveraloner35
I prefer to have an interactive cutscenes than a laughably ridiculous boss battle for the sake of a few more minutes of gameplay
Well I'm glad those are the only two choices.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A climactic boss fight that leads no where because you don't even kill him? That'd be worse, because it's just a tease.
You haven't played many video games before 2007, have you?

  • 12.28.2012 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: finalknight92
How about a proper Didact instead?

  • 12.28.2012 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: foreveraloner35
No. How on earth would Chief stand a chance against the leader of the most advanced beings in the galaxy, and he has the force? A fight with him would have to involve him not using his powers at all which would be stupid.

Chief and Didact could never have a proper fight due the immense gap between the two in terms of power.
It's a game. Who the -blam!- actually plays the campaign a million times over for the story? (especially when the Terminals aren't in-game and the cutscenes can easily be watched on YouTube)

Besides, the Didact wasn't even that powerful (without his armor, he got neutralized by a Binary Rifle. And he was stunned by a pulse grenade). Chief just has slower reflexes (he's clearly not the badass he used to be).

I've only seen most people bother with the story (after beating it once) when a new Halo game is coming out and they replay all the games...

Gameplay > story

OT: Anything is better than a QTE that does not even bother to change.

The Didact fight is just like the QTEs on Dawn. It disregards players who play Halo for it's gameplay and assumes players only care about the story (which leads into another problem, lack of story background, because the game assumes the player has read the novels).

Look at CE PoA. There were drastic changes between difficulties.

Easy -> Legendary

Waiting in Cryo tube -> Cutscene
Elite surprise in dark room -> human blood stains on the wall
Having to enter a dark room punching open a door and finding yourself behind a Grunt -> you can take the straightforward path

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Posted by: burritosenior
I don't understand why people would rather say '-blam!- the story if it will look cool' than 'tell a good story.' Casuals...
Not everyone plays boss battles for the actual fight (see my sig).

I'd have preferred some control over my movement. Even the 343 Guilty Spark fight had some interesting things about it:

-it's possible to bring the infinite ammo laser to the fight (but it cannot damage him until after Johnson hits him)
-it's possible to give Johnson the hammer, the sword, and the Sentinel beam IIRC
-it's possible to lunge at Guilty Spark with the sword
-it's possible to bypass Guilty Spark (but that sadly doesn't change how it plays)
-when playing on Co-op, if Chief is killed, Spark will just stay in place, not minding the Arbiter
-but if Chief dies before the cutscene, Spark will fire on Arby instead
-pre-TU, it used to be possible to damage Spark with a combination of rockets and fuel rods

  • 12.28.2012 5:10 PM PDT

Do that many people really think a boss battle would be better? Or are they just using yet another way to say they don't like the game all because of 343.

  • 12.28.2012 5:13 PM PDT


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Posted by: foreveraloner35
I prefer to have an interactive cutscenes than a laughably ridiculous boss battle for the sake of a few more minutes of gameplay
Well I'm glad those are the only two choices.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A climactic boss fight that leads no where because you don't even kill him? That'd be worse, because it's just a tease.
You haven't played many video games before 2007, have you?


Yeah, and when they teased the last fight, it was annoying.

I agree the qte could have been longer, but I'd prefer the big fight scene to be held off until the climax of the story; also, when the Chief can actually survive a fight with the him.

Otherwise you just burn out the anticipation too soon.

  • 12.28.2012 5:14 PM PDT