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Subject: Let's talk about killing as a form of punishment.

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Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: copaka12

Posted by: aTALLmidget
If it wasn't so expensive (typically).


its a lot more expensive to jail him for 10 years, let alone for life. if in jail, the -blam!- gets food, a bed, and bums!


they still have life, escapes, and illegal smuggling.

It's been known that life in prison is less expensive than the death penalty unfortunately... Because of the long process and tons of time and money wasting appeals.

Though if the prisoner is given a life sentence in isolated containment I think that's worse than the death penalty. 23 hours locked in a cell with absolutely nothing I think, then an hour to roam a barren cement court (which isn't outside) and back to your cell for another 23 hours. No real interaction. It'd make someone go mad!


they still have their life, hope for escape, or illegal smuggled objects

[Edited on 12.29.2012 1:33 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 1:32 AM PDT

Posted by: SwizZz Gambino
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Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours.

That's a pretty hypocritical statement.
No it isn't. Maybe it's an old way of thinking, but in the case of murder I believe eye for an eye is the only way to respond. Murder is the greatest crime one can commit, and it can never be reversed. You can't un-kill the victim. It's only right the killer should pay equally.
If we kill, we become the killers.

Every time a death sentence is carried out, the government is murdering someone.
You call that murder, I call it equalization. Putting down a murderer is not the same as killing an innocent man, Secondclass.

  • 12.29.2012 1:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: FIREBALL1999
So if a killer raped a 8 year girl old. Burned out her eyes, stabbed her, then revived her just to drown her. so he deserves to live?

Yes. He's evil, but he's still human.
Imagine being the girl's daughter. Call it revenge, but sometimes Justice and revenge are the same thing. Someone has stolen a life, and the life must be repaid.

If I was the girl's father, I would hunt down and kill that man in the most brutal way possible. That doesn't mean that I would be right in doing that, though.

And the government needs to do what's right, away from emotional disturbances.
But who is to say what is right? Kill him or don't kill him the damage he has caused is permanent. Sticking him in jail for life or killing him will make no difference. You base life on years as opposed to quality of it. Offing him would actually be a better punishment. He might not enjoy prison -blam!-.

  • 12.29.2012 1:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
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The problem with that is our Constitution and legal procedures are designed in such a manner that those who are given the death penalty are automatically given an appeal, and from there it just branches on for dozens of years. You mentioned the Aurora shooter...yes he was clearly guilty, but one reason those safeguards are in place is so that we do find justice, rather than condemn a man in blind anger.

I'm well aware of the number of people jailed erroneously for crimes they didn't commit.

Hell, Texas executed a retard apparently because the cops liked him for the crime even though he contradicted all of the evidence.

But I say kill the Aurora shooter not out of blind anger but out of simple number crunching: Even in a best case scenario, he's going to be getting life in jail/hospital. He will never be free in the public ever again.

Why waste all of our time and money supervising him until he grows old or gets shanked in the yard?

  • 12.29.2012 1:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: King Dutchy
The death penalty hasn't lowered any crime rates. And it never will because it doesn't work.


It is not carried out effectively enough. It takes to long and not used enough to strike fear into criminals.

  • 12.29.2012 1:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
And...that didn't take long.
Topic is now worthy of being locked.
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Of course, not the only one who couldn't distinguish politics and philosophy in this topic.


The OP mentioned the death penalty which I'm guessing means politics as well.

  • 12.29.2012 1:33 AM PDT


Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: King Dutchy
The death penalty hasn't lowered any crime rates. And it never will because it doesn't work.


It is not carried out effectively enough. It takes to long and not used enough to strike fear into criminals.
Exactly, make it quick and televise it.

  • 12.29.2012 1:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
And...that didn't take long.
Topic is now worthy of being locked.
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Of course, not the only one who couldn't distinguish politics and philosophy in this topic.


Feel free to properly respond to my posts that you have issue with rather than making such a blanket statement.

  • 12.29.2012 1:36 AM PDT

Posted by: SwizZz Gambino
gogurt us just yogurt


Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: King Dutchy
The death penalty hasn't lowered any crime rates. And it never will because it doesn't work.


It is not carried out effectively enough. It takes to long and not used enough to strike fear into criminals.
Exactly, make it quick and televise it.
That's sick and humiliating. We're not -blam!- Romans.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 1:37 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 1:37 AM PDT
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Unless it can be absolutely assured they are guilty, no.

And if it can be determined that they are most definitely guilty, then use a Glock and some cheap ammo to the back of the head.

  • 12.29.2012 1:37 AM PDT

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I'd probably want to kill/have someone killed of they killed someone I care about.

  • 12.29.2012 1:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: copaka12

Posted by: aTALLmidget
If it wasn't so expensive (typically).


its a lot more expensive to jail him for 10 years, let alone for life. if in jail, the -blam!- gets food, a bed, and bums!


they still have life, escapes, and illegal smuggling.

It's been known that life in prison is less expensive than the death penalty unfortunately... Because of the long process and tons of time and money wasting appeals.

Though if the prisoner is given a life sentence in isolated containment I think that's worse than the death penalty. 23 hours locked in a cell with absolutely nothing I think, then an hour to roam a barren cement court (which isn't outside) and back to your cell for another 23 hours. No real interaction. It'd make someone go mad!


they still have their life, hope for escape, or illegal smuggled objects


Yes, they have their life and a lifelong sentence before them in such containment and no real hope for escape. These isolated cells are in maximum security prisons and the cells themselves are very well built. They are constantly inspected for any items and they make it extremely difficult for the prisoner to use any items in the cell.

I remember seeing a show on such prison sentences and they interviewed/got input from a cell mate who had a life sentence in isolation. He said he wished he had the death penalty and could die, that this sentence was worse and making him go mad and question his sanity, being in such containment.

  • 12.29.2012 1:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: King Dutchy
The death penalty hasn't lowered any crime rates. And it never will because it doesn't work.


It is not carried out effectively enough. It takes to long and not used enough to strike fear into criminals.
Exactly, make it quick and televise it.

It needs to be like processing Cattle.
1 Trial 2 Transport to execution center 3 Set up 4 Turn on cameras and execute. Then repeat.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 1:40 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 1:39 AM PDT


Posted by: OneDeadCaveMan

Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: King Dutchy
The death penalty hasn't lowered any crime rates. And it never will because it doesn't work.


It is not carried out effectively enough. It takes to long and not used enough to strike fear into criminals.
Exactly, make it quick and televise it.
That's sick and humiliating. We're not -blam!- Romans.
No, we're Americans. That's much worse.

  • 12.29.2012 1:39 AM PDT

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Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours.

That's a pretty hypocritical statement.
No it isn't. Maybe it's an old way of thinking, but in the case of murder I believe eye for an eye is the only way to respond. Murder is the greatest crime one can commit, and it can never be reversed. You can't un-kill the victim. It's only right the killer should pay equally.
If life is sacred then taking it from a man who has taken it is still taking life. The statement is indeed hypocritical and it is also a paradox.

  • 12.29.2012 1:39 AM PDT

as the blood of my enimes satin the earth and i await my next victim on the batel feild the voices of my fallen comrads echo in my head beconing me to join them i not sure im ready to....yet

i think we should find an island and just dump them all there Far Far away from civilization

p.s. Aren't you the pony thread guy wheres the ponies?

  • 12.29.2012 1:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Firstgraywolf11
i think we should find an island and just dump them all there Far Far away from civilization

p.s. Aren't you the pony thread guy wheres the ponies?


So you're proposing another Australia?

  • 12.29.2012 1:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Firstgraywolf11
i think we should find an island and just dump them all there Far Far away from civilization
People tried that. Australia was born.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 1:42 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 1:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Firstgraywolf11
i think we should find an island and just dump them all there Far Far away from civilization

p.s. Aren't you the pony thread guy wheres the ponies?
Phonys

  • 12.29.2012 1:42 AM PDT

nothing starts with n.

that's one guy, and not all murderers get max security.
also if he wants death, commit suicide.(say, assault a guard)

  • 12.29.2012 1:43 AM PDT

Posted by: SwizZz Gambino
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Posted by: OneDeadCaveMan

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: OneDeadCaveMan
Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours.

That's a pretty hypocritical statement.
No it isn't. Maybe it's an old way of thinking, but in the case of murder I believe eye for an eye is the only way to respond. Murder is the greatest crime one can commit, and it can never be reversed. You can't un-kill the victim. It's only right the killer should pay equally.
If life is sacred then taking it from a man who has taken it is still taking life. The statement is indeed hypocritical and it is also a paradox.
No. Please don't tell me you think a killer is the same as an executioner.
Let me rephrase to clarify. An innocent life is sacred. A killer has lost that innocence.

  • 12.29.2012 1:43 AM PDT
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Death penalty is fine to me.

  • 12.29.2012 1:44 AM PDT

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No

  • 12.29.2012 1:47 AM PDT


Posted by: copaka12
that's one guy, and not all murderers get max security.
also if he wants death, commit suicide.(say, assault a guard)


No, not all do. Though committing suicide is easier said than done in prison. Sure, they can pull it off, but it takes a lot of time, work, and subtly, most of which don't have the knack for. And assaulting a guard won't likely get them killed, only tazed/beaten off and then once more punished accordingly.

  • 12.29.2012 1:50 AM PDT

nothing starts with n.

alright, to finish my view, remember that elementary school? the number 28 ring a bell? if they caught him, would you rather see him cared for in a prison/institution, or publicly hanged? or how about those 2 morons at columbine? if they hadn't killed themselves, would you not want someone else to kill them? YOU are not the on shocking,shooting,injecting, or hanging them, why do you want to see murderers live so much? these may be extreme examples, but its the same idea and principle. murderers deserve to die.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 1:52 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 1:50 AM PDT