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Subject: Let's talk about killing as a form of punishment.

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Why are drugs used for the execution? Would it not be just as humane to shoot them in the head? Brain would go into brief shock before shutting down and there would be no pain.

I'm against the death penalty but I've wondered this for ages.

  • 12.29.2012 1:52 AM PDT

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Just a question for those that are in favor of the death penalty: what good does execution do, that life in prison does not?

  • 12.29.2012 1:53 AM PDT

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  • 12.29.2012 1:54 AM PDT

Posted by: OneDeadCaveMan
Putting down a murderer is not the same as killing an innocent man, Secondclass.

Perhaps not, but we should avoid killing whenever possible. You, yourself said that life is sacred. I would think you would be with me on this.

  • 12.29.2012 1:56 AM PDT



I'm assuming this is aimed at me.

Whoa, don't be putting words in my mouth. I never said I want them cared for or want to see them live. Quite the opposite in fact if it weren't such a hassle. But why give the killers what they want? If they're begging for death in prison but can't get it, WHY give it to them? They're facing a torment they deserve at that point and death would be a mercy they discarded when they committed the act. Sure, they deserve to die, but if that's what they desire most to die, why give that pleasure to them? It's too easy. No, you're not doing anything cruel to them, only letting them rot in their own minds.
Posted by: copaka12
alright, to finish my view, remember that elementary school? the number 28 ring a bell? if they caught him, would you rather see him cared for in a prison/institution, or publicly hanged? or how about those 2 morons at columbine? if they hadn't killed themselves, would you not want someone else to kill them? YOU are not the on shocking,shooting,injecting, or hanging them, why do you want to see murderers live so much? these may be extreme examples, but its the same idea and principle. murderers deserve to die.

  • 12.29.2012 1:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: OneDeadCaveMan
Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours.

That's a pretty hypocritical statement.
No it isn't. Maybe it's an old way of thinking, but in the case of murder I believe eye for an eye is the only way to respond. Murder is the greatest crime one can commit, and it can never be reversed. You can't un-kill the victim. It's only right the killer should pay equally.
If life is sacred then taking it from a man who has taken it is still taking life. The statement is indeed hypocritical and it is also a paradox.
No. Please don't tell me you think a killer is the same as an executioner.
Let me rephrase to clarify. An innocent life is sacred. A killer has lost that innocence.
Now THAT is a completely different statement. To which I'll answer. An executioner and a killer can be synonymous. An executioner is just a paid killer who does so under orders. There are technically many executioners in that regard. The one who orders it and the one who carries it out. Both are killers though. An innocent life and one that has lost the innocence are still life in all true forms.

I don't see the problem. In a way it is more sadistic just to keep them alive. They'd get food and water, but never get any freedom or joy of life ever again.

  • 12.29.2012 1:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: aTALLmidget


I'm assuming this is aimed at me.

Whoa, don't be putting words in my mouth. I never said I want them cared for or want to see them live. Quite the opposite in fact if it weren't such a hassle. But why give the killers what they want? If they're begging for death in prison but can't get it, WHY give it to them? They're facing a torment they deserve at that point and death would be a mercy they discarded when they committed the act. Sure, they deserve to die, but if that's what they desire most to die, why give that pleasure to them? It's too easy. No, you're not doing anything cruel to them, only letting them rot in their own minds.
Posted by: copaka12
alright, to finish my view, remember that elementary school? the number 28 ring a bell? if they caught him, would you rather see him cared for in a prison/institution, or publicly hanged? or how about those 2 morons at columbine? if they hadn't killed themselves, would you not want someone else to kill them? YOU are not the on shocking,shooting,injecting, or hanging them, why do you want to see murderers live so much? these may be extreme examples, but its the same idea and principle. murderers deserve to die.


simpler to kill them now and be done with it. if the wanted death, the would have killed themselves after the act. EX: colombine.

the criminals want to live before prison, they only have second thoughts once there in the slammer.

im not trying to put words in your mouth, but only trying to prove my point. belive what you will, I apologize if I offended you.

im withdrawing from this thread before my disposition gets worse. I will still observe. good night.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 2:08 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 2:01 AM PDT

Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: Garem
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Posted by: FIREBALL1999
So if a killer raped a 8 year girl old. Burned out her eyes, stabbed her, then revived her just to drown her. so he deserves to live?

Yes. He's evil, but he's still human.
Imagine being the girl's daughter. Call it revenge, but sometimes Justice and revenge are the same thing. Someone has stolen a life, and the life must be repaid.

If I was the girl's father, I would hunt down and kill that man in the most brutal way possible. That doesn't mean that I would be right in doing that, though.

And the government needs to do what's right, away from emotional disturbances.
But who is to say what is right? Kill him or don't kill him the damage he has caused is permanent. Sticking him in jail for life or killing him will make no difference. You base life on years as opposed to quality of it. Offing him would actually be a better punishment. He might not enjoy prison -blam!-.

It's a question of morality. And the answer is that killing is immoral. And we should always do the morally right thing. It's simple, in my book.

  • 12.29.2012 2:03 AM PDT

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OP, if someone killed everyone you care about, you'd probably want them killed.

  • 12.29.2012 2:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: Garem
Yes. He's evil, but he's still human.
Imagine being the girl's daughter. Call it revenge, but sometimes Justice and revenge are the same thing. Someone has stolen a life, and the life must be repaid.

If I was the girl's father, I would hunt down and kill that man in the most brutal way possible. That doesn't mean that I would be right in doing that, though.

And the government needs to do what's right, away from emotional disturbances.
But who is to say what is right? Kill him or don't kill him the damage he has caused is permanent. Sticking him in jail for life or killing him will make no difference. You base life on years as opposed to quality of it. Offing him would actually be a better punishment. He might not enjoy prison -blam!-.

It's a question of morality. And the answer is that killing is immoral. And we should always do the morally right thing. It's simple, in my book.
Morality is relative. Things that you may see as right may be thought of as wrong for others, and vise versa. You cannot, and should not, force people to think the same way as you, then you are in the wrong. Sometimes the best solutions are not always the moral or right ones.

  • 12.29.2012 2:06 AM PDT


Posted by: copaka12

Posted by: aTALLmidget


I'm assuming this is aimed at me.

Whoa, don't be putting words in my mouth. I never said I want them cared for or want to see them live. Quite the opposite in fact if it weren't such a hassle. But why give the killers what they want? If they're begging for death in prison but can't get it, WHY give it to them? They're facing a torment they deserve at that point and death would be a mercy they discarded when they committed the act. Sure, they deserve to die, but if that's what they desire most to die, why give that pleasure to them? It's too easy. No, you're not doing anything cruel to them, only letting them rot in their own minds.
Posted by: copaka12
alright, to finish my view, remember that elementary school? the number 28 ring a bell? if they caught him, would you rather see him cared for in a prison/institution, or publicly hanged? or how about those 2 morons at columbine? if they hadn't killed themselves, would you not want someone else to kill them? YOU are not the on shocking,shooting,injecting, or hanging them, why do you want to see murderers live so much? these may be extreme examples, but its the same idea and principle. murderers deserve to die.


simpler to kill them now and be done with it. if the wanted death, the would have killed themselves after the act. EX: colombine.

the criminals want to live before prison, they only have second thoughts once there in the slammer.

im not trying to put words in your mouth, but only trying to prove my point. belive what you will, I apologize if I offended you.

im withdrawing from this thread before my disposition gets worse. good night.


Of course, those criminals who do commit suicide are simply cowards in the face of justice.

Yes, which is sort of my point I suppose.

No offense here, just a small misunderstanding. I see your point, but I hope you also see mine. Good night.

  • 12.29.2012 2:07 AM PDT

Posted by: theshadowstriker
OP, if someone killed everyone you care about, you'd probably want them killed.

I've actually been over this in this thread. If someone killed someone close to me, I would probably try to hunt them down and kill them. And I admit that it would be immoral.

Which is why, regardless of what I would do, the government shouldn't do that, in order to maintain morality.

  • 12.29.2012 2:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Ark Chaos
Morality is relative.
Not in every case. And in this case, premeditated killing is wrong. It's always wrong.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 2:08 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 2:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: theshadowstriker
OP, if someone killed everyone you care about, you'd probably want them killed.

I've actually been over this in this thread.
Oh, sorry I didn't go over the thread.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 2:09 AM PST]

  • 12.29.2012 2:09 AM PDT

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You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

  • 12.29.2012 2:31 AM PDT


Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Ark Chaos
Morality is relative.
Not in every case. And in this case, premeditated killing is wrong. It's always wrong.
Then don't think about it.

  • 12.29.2012 2:33 AM PDT

Posted by: cameo_cream
You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

Fairness isn't justice.

  • 12.29.2012 2:35 AM PDT


Posted by: Garem
Posted by: cameo_cream
You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

Fairness isn't justice.
Then justice blows.

  • 12.29.2012 2:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Ark Chaos

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: cameo_cream
You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

Fairness isn't justice.
Then justice blows.
lol, but true

  • 12.29.2012 2:40 AM PDT
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  • 12.29.2012 2:46 AM PDT

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No certainly not. Nobody has the right to exercise the ability to take someone's life.

However what I do believe in is particular convicts having all their rights stripped from them. Which includes freedom from torture.

But I guess that's unconstitutional. As per usual.

  • 12.29.2012 2:55 AM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: cameo_cream
You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

Fairness isn't justice.[/quote

Some say being stuck in a confined room for the rest of your life is worse than death.

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As a form of justice? Not entirely. As a way of getting rid of bad men? Yes.

When it comes to just hunting someone down and killing them as a matter of vengeance, it's not entirely justified (although it's also situation dependent). When it becomes less a matter of justice, and more a matter of protecting the rest of the herd by getting rid of those who would continue to pray on it, then it's justified.

Evil does exist in the world, and simply locking it in a jail isn't always the best option. After all, we only have so many jails. The only way to dispel that evil is typically by taking their life.

  • 12.29.2012 3:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: cameo_cream
You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.

Then who kills the people that execute felons?

  • 12.29.2012 3:36 AM PDT