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The death penalty is the only way to go.

  • 12.29.2012 4:05 AM PDT

I disagree with the death penalty for a different reason. You're just giving them a quick escape from life, from suffering a real punishment, from living to really regret what they did. Life in prison > cop out execution

  • 12.29.2012 4:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: xODSTxDutch
Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid

See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.

That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society.

Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people.

These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to.

  • 12.29.2012 5:05 AM PDT

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Killing legitimately evil people is going to be a personal opinion thing which no amount of flaming or using caps will resolve here in the Flood.

However, there are two objective claims which go against the death penalty.

1. It costs more money to sentence someone to death than it does to imprison them for the rest of their lives.

2. We still convict the innocent from time to time. If you want to kill everyone that takes an innocent life, what should be done with the justice system?

  • 12.29.2012 5:33 AM PDT

Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Garem
Posted by: xODSTxDutch
Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid

See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.

That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society.

Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people.

These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to.
There's a better solution.

Instead of forsaking our morality, we just need to build taller prison walls.

  • 12.29.2012 5:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
In my opinion, it's not. When we kill killers, we become them. No matter what crime someone has committed, the death penalty should never be an option.

And when you kill someone you lose all valuable information they might have.

  • 12.29.2012 5:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: werdnaz
The death penalty is the only way to go.

Then how come Norway and Sweden are doing such a good job?
We rehabilitate the murderers so that they one day can get back to society and contribute to it.

  • 12.29.2012 5:39 AM PDT

God is not proud...He will have us even though we have shown that we prefer everything else to Him.-- CS Lewis

We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.

  • 12.29.2012 6:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Oly Lifter
We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.

Is it ok for someone to die from the lack of care? Should I be called a murderer for not running through a crowded street to push away an old woman who is about to be hit by a bus? Should I be called a murderer for not running into a burning building to save someone?

Those are passive actions which result in death. That's not murder.

Murder would be actively causing death. It would be me pushing an old woman in front of a bus or lighting a fire with people inside a house.

Abortion is a woman refusing to give a fetus free reign of her body. It's a lack of care. It's passive because the fetus dies without her providing her body for the fetus live on.

The death penalty is an active effort to kill someone.

Two different things.

  • 12.29.2012 6:24 AM PDT


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Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.

Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)


It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.

If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.

  • 12.29.2012 6:45 AM PDT
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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.


Posted by: Garem
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.
Exactly.


Is it ever justified?

In my opinion, it's not.


Do you not see the glaring hypocrisy?

  • 12.29.2012 6:50 AM PDT


Posted by: GohanRules 12

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Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.

Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)


It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.

If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.


I like this idea. Their bodies can go towards something useful, like feeding zoo animals, or perhaps towards science

  • 12.29.2012 6:51 AM PDT
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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.


Posted by: Oly Lifter
We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.


Killing a cluster of cells that is not a human and doesn't even have a brain/nervous system to have a consciousness or feel pain=/= killing a fully developed human being that does have a brain and a nervous system to have a consciousness or feel pain.

You can't compare a cluster of cells to a person. They aren't the same. Before this gets out of hand, I'll end this now.

If abortion was made illegal it wouldn't stop women from getting abortions, it would only make them go somewhere else to do it thereby causing possible harm to themselves (back alley abortions, falling down stairs, coat hanger, etc.). all you'd be doing is making abortion unsafe. Besides who the -blam!- are you to tell a woman she can't get an abortion, ESPECIALLY if she was raped?

  • 12.29.2012 6:54 AM PDT

Country: United States.
State: Pennsylvania.
County: Warren.
I graduated from high school on June-11-2011. I'm 19 right now. I'm turning 20 in December. I like playing video games, and board games. I like reading Sci-Fi, and World War II novels, and what not.

"There is nothing better in the world than being better at a video game than someone else....oh wait"

Posted by: GohanRules 12

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.

Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)


It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.

If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.

You don't want to do that last part just yet. What you want to do is after they are dead. Take out what ever organs can be transplanted. Then feed their body to the crocodiles and lions.

  • 12.29.2012 6:55 AM PDT


Posted by: foreveraloner35

Posted by: GohanRules 12

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Posted by: FIREBALL1999

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.

Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)


It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.

If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.


I like this idea. Their bodies can go towards something useful, like feeding zoo animals, or perhaps towards science

If we keep them alive we could make an attraction out of them trying to run from the lions/tigers or out swimming the gators.

  • 12.29.2012 6:57 AM PDT

Country: United States.
State: Pennsylvania.
County: Warren.
I graduated from high school on June-11-2011. I'm 19 right now. I'm turning 20 in December. I like playing video games, and board games. I like reading Sci-Fi, and World War II novels, and what not.

"There is nothing better in the world than being better at a video game than someone else....oh wait"

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Garem
Posted by: xODSTxDutch
Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid

See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.

That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society.

Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people.

These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to.
There's a better solution.

Instead of forsaking our morality, we just need to build taller prison walls.

Which can still be climbed and descended if they have the materials.

  • 12.29.2012 6:59 AM PDT

Solution, clone them and then set the clone free after you have killed them.

I joke of course.

  • 12.29.2012 7:05 AM PDT