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Posted by: Ch3miCal
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What caught my attention about GS was what he said in the library

1) Your suit only rates as a Mk 3. Why have you not updated to the current Mk 12 model?

2) The flood have finished preparing your ship. The parasitic nature of the flood belies the floods intelligence.


He said atleast a Mk 12
I believe Chief was a class 2, the Marine Reclaimer was a 1, and he should upgrade to at least a class 12.

Not "Mk" that's how they rank the MJOLNIR.

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Has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe there is another race we are not aware of? Maybe that race activated the halos before for the forerunners or for some other reason. Just a thought, what do you think?

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Posted by: Little Lee77
when he talks about the ship being fixed. He is talking about the covenant ship the Truth and Reconciliton (not sure how to spell). 343 believes that the truth and reconcilition is master cheifs ship because it is of forerunner technology. The covenant were never smart enough to create their own technology so they just mimicked the forerunner tech.And to 343 the ship appears to be forerunner. 343 believes master cheif is a forerunner and that it is his ship. I dunno if i explained that very well lol.


Guily Spark never referred to humans as forerunners. GS only ever calls humans "reclaimers" why does everyone assume reclaimers are forerunners. Surely not because we assume the arc is on Earth. Even that is not proven yet.

Reclaimers may not be forerunners as much as a race used by the forerunners.

GS also never said "PREPARING" he said the flood were "REPARING your vessel" the flood were also trying to take over the Truth and Reconciliton so it was not mentioned as it was still a work in progress. The flood already owned the Pillar of Autumn as all human presence was gone from it.

The flood probably wanted to use the ship to leave Halo. It doesn't need to mean anything more than that.

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[quote]Posted by: haloseal
I. Which leads me to think that forunners are not the ones who activated the rings in the first place.
guitly spark also says in halo2.. the forerunners activated the rings and died as planned.
so the foreunners did activate the rings


maybe chief did ask guilty on the way to the control room its just maybe the gae didn't show it cause it was irrelevent?

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Posted by: Kilwan
What caught my attention about GS was what he said in the library

1) Your suit only rates as a Mk 3. Why have you not updated to the current Mk 12 model?

2) The flood have finished preparing your ship. The parasitic nature of the flood belies the floods intelligence.


1./ GS didn't exactly say that. GS was referring to the inferior nature of MC's armour. It doesn't mean GS had some handy Spartan armour. GS merely calculated that the MC's armour was at level three according to a scale that GS used. GS indicated that superior armour was available by saying something about needing at least level 12 armour to control the flood.

2./ GS said "the flood were hard at work REPAIRING your vessel" . They were repairing the Pillar of Autumn for their own use. Sure they got hold of the Covenant ship as well but not at the time the Chief was in the library. The flood wanted to use the ship/s for their own purpose. The Flood wanted to kill the MC not help him.

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As far as I can tell the forrunner must have asked 343 guilty spark if they should activate halo and then they did. Someone later who resembles them comes along and guilty spark tells them he still would so they activate its that simple.

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This has nothing to do with Halo 3. This shouldn't of been posted in the Halo 3 topic.

Shame on you.

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Posted by: Deceiver196_
[quote]Posted by: haloseal
I. Which leads me to think that forunners are not the ones who activated the rings in the first place.
guitly spark also says in halo2.. the forerunners activated the rings and died as planned.
so the foreunners did activate the rings


maybe chief did ask guilty on the way to the control room its just maybe the gae didn't show it cause it was irrelevent?



Yeah, but if you notice, GS never actually says the FORERUNNERS activated the rings. THe exact quote is "After exhausting every other strategic option, my MASTERS activated the rings." So it is quite possible that another race besides the Forerunners activated the rings. Now, for what reason, I have no idea.

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The speakings of 343 Guilty Spark had confused me for a very long time however i heard a few key things that definately suggests that He sees master chief as a forerunner ok this is not exactly what he says but close enough

When he is in the data base in the level entitled "The Maw" he is interfacing with what looks to be a terminal with his eye thing in the engine room of the pillar of autumn
he says "this is wonderful a chance to catch up on all our lost time...human history you call it. Fascinating. Ooh i will enjoy every moment of its categorisation"

Ok the key word in this is that 343 guilty spark uses is the term OUR and if he was truly created by the forerunners he would be programmed to be assimilated with them and if he assimilates himself with the Master Chief then he believes he is assimilating with a forerunner. this is not the only semi quote that further proves my theory there is another. and i will post it at a later date after you have time to ponder this theory this time i hope your answer will change
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maybe the humans were the allies of the forerunners...

  • 07.07.2006 5:12 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Why is that every time somebody doesn't quite understand something, it spawns a huge generic theory about time travel and unknown races and all that? Not everything has a huge explanation you know.

I could be wrong, but there's a simple explanation to this, you know, and it makes sense.

The Master Chief already went through the Library, fought off tons of Flood, got the Index, and brought it back to the Control Room, why not finish what he started? 343 is probably just telling him to finish the job, seeing that he went through all that trouble.

If you can use all that brain power to make a huge theory, why can't you look for a simple explanation, and take the words at face value?

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ok, so when when 343 go's "why would you hesitate to do what you have already done, last time you asked my , if it were my choice would i do it, having sygnificant time to ponder your quiestion my answer has not changed, we must activate the rings." because he's a computer and mc's wering face armour he can't see or tell who he really is and as he states in the library there are 12 classes of armour of which mc's was the third class, probably arrmour used by the forruners, so being a computer he can't tell between different individual forruners so thinks mc is the forruner who activated the ring, when the first forruner activated it, he didn't know if he should do it or not so he asked 343 if he would do it that's why he said last time you asked me.
when he's on the POA he said "marvelous, a reckord of all our lost time. human history you call it." he probably sess that because he thinks it should be called forruner history because were the forruners, so he thinks we have renamed it.
and why we don't call our selfs forruners any more is when they activated the halos they left embreos(spelling) of all the different species in the galaxy on the ark, because they were so small they weren't of sygnificant size to sustain the flood so halo didn't destroy them but because we were only embreos we didn't know any of our history so we came up with our own name after a while "humans".

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Posted by: Deceiver196_
[quote]Posted by: haloseal
I. Which leads me to think that forunners are not the ones who activated the rings in the first place.
guitly spark also says in halo2.. the forerunners activated the rings and died as planned.
so the foreunners did activate the rings


maybe chief did ask guilty on the way to the control room its just maybe the gae didn't show it cause it was irrelevent?



Yeah, but if you notice, GS never actually says the FORERUNNERS activated the rings. THe exact quote is "After exhausting every other strategic option, my MASTERS activated the rings." So it is quite possible that another race besides the Forerunners activated the rings. Now, for what reason, I have no idea.



Exactly.

GS, Penitent Tangent 2401 and even the Gravemind all seem to see humans as different to the Forerunners if you listen to what they ACTUALLY say they never once (not once ever)say humans are forerunners.

The monitors only ever refer to humans as "reclaimers". Several humans have been encountered by monitor type AI being the MAster Chief, St Johnston and Miranda Keyes. Each and every time the humans are referred to as reclaimers and not forerunners.

GS says clearly that all the forerunners DIED after the last activation of the rings. So if that were true then humans couldn't be Forerunners. All forerunners are dead. GS says something like the rings were activated and the forerunners died as planned.

Quite afew people are grasping at scrappy evidence and even changing evidence to fit the theory that humans are forerunners. While it is nice to think humans are forerunners most of the actual evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

I would love to be wrong. However as I mentioned but the simple fact that the Monitor AI's (GS & Penitent Tangent 2401) and Gravemind both knew both humans and the forerunners and seem to see them as different is quite curious.

Otherwise why wouldn't GS rave on about how he found a forerunner. GS sure as heck rants on about everything else. I am certian if he found a forerunner there would be no end of excitement and joyfull ranting. Instead even after meeting several humans GS still says the forerunners were all killed during the last activation.

Humans are seen as reclaimers and as we all know are responsible for activating the Halo rings if necessary to otherwise reclaiming what is lost to the flood. This is confirmed several times by many characters through out the game including the Monitors and the Gravemind.

Even the Gravemind seems to hint that the forerunners knew they would be killing themselves when they undertook their last action.

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Posted by: Nedus
Why is that every time somebody doesn't quite understand something, it spawns a huge generic theory about time travel and unknown races and all that? Not everything has a huge explanation you know.

I could be wrong, but there's a simple explanation to this, you know, and it makes sense.

The Master Chief already went through the Library, fought off tons of Flood, got the Index, and brought it back to the Control Room, why not finish what he started? 343 is probably just telling him to finish the job, seeing that he went through all that trouble.

If you can use all that brain power to make a huge theory, why can't you look for a simple explanation, and take the words at face value?


YES!! That is exactly what I was thinking. 343 is just speaking in a figure of speech. If Master Chief went through the trouble of going through the Library to get the Index and activate Halo, why would he hesitate to do so at the last minute?

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Posted by: Nedus
Why is that every time somebody doesn't quite understand something, it spawns a huge generic theory about time travel and unknown races and all that? Not everything has a huge explanation you know.

I could be wrong, but there's a simple explanation to this, you know, and it makes sense.

The Master Chief already went through the Library, fought off tons of Flood, got the Index, and brought it back to the Control Room, why not finish what he started? 343 is probably just telling him to finish the job, seeing that he went through all that trouble.

If you can use all that brain power to make a huge theory, why can't you look for a simple explanation, and take the words at face value?


I think a lot of confusion is caused by taking what GS said literally. GS has a very unique way of talking as he often phrases things either very vaguely or with multiple meanings. It also doesn't help that we may have missed a bit of the story that would help make a bit more sense of it. When Guilty Spark mentions that MC had asked him in the past if he would do it many people assumed it was the distant past. However if there was a small sequence showing this to be relatively recent then all that confusion could have been avoided.

When people are given half a story it is little wonder that people try to fill in the blanks. The game of Halo sometimes seems to only be part of the story.

Apon looking over all that is said and done I am starting to think that GS was simply asking why MC would hesitate to finish the job as he was 95% finished anyway. When GS mentions that MC had asked him in the past if he would do it GS may be simply continuing a conversation with the MC from earlier on.

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Uhm.. another Spartan couldn't have almost used the ring. The humans would have known about it.

  • 07.07.2006 8:40 AM PDT

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Who says the person who activates the ring dies? Also who says that the ring kills everyone? It just says the universe will be quite devoid of sentient life, that could mean that all sentient life is moved.... Who knows, maybe the great journey isn't as fake as you think.

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So master Cheif is like 100,000 years old?

And 343 blah blah blah.

if you think your tryna explain this...

Explain how they were talking after a instant teleportation while going from libary to control room.

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