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I did post a topic on this it was called "If more spartans were introduced in to the game would it ruin the game?".
It was popular for a while then it died of but people seemed okay with more spartans introduced in to the game as long as there was an explantion there were okay with it.
All we need is just a short explanaion it would just be llke 8 mins.

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Should we ever trust "False Prophets"?

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Posted by: whiteultraelite8
You know there are tonnes of topics about wheather there will be more spartans or not and people arguing about it like crazy. Why don't we figure a way to introduce them without confusing the people who have not read the books.
Here is my idea and don't flame me its just an idea. Earth saw how successfull the spartan project was with dealing with the covenant and decided to start making spartans of thier own. It would explain how the chief got his new armor and people would not get confused because the spartans were created on earth. Plus then we would not have to deal with introducing the spartans who were in first strike and just leave them in the books.
What are your guys idea on how to introduce new spartans?


A screen would pop up saying "did you read the Halo novels?" and there would be a yes and no button.
If you press no, Frankie will apear on the screen and say "WELL READ THE -blam!- NOVELS YOU -blam!- FACE PEICE OF -blam!- -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-!"

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I didnt read the first page, but if you want to see the big argument about that so far, its the one MLG Cheewawa made, its on this page though. I just posted. Read from like page 4 or something.

  • 07.06.2006 4:42 PM PDT
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There are 3 kinds of people:

1) People who love the games, and the story, and have read the books.
2) People who love the games, and the story, and have not read the books.
3) People who love the game, but don't give a rip about the story and just want to shoot stuff.

So, group 3 will probably not be confused by the addition of more Spartans as they just don't care. Group 1 will not be confused because they are way pumped and have read the books. Group 2 is all that needs to be taken care of, and really it's not that hard. A simple cut scene at the beginning of the game, or even a cut scene where Chief is standing alone, and 4 other Spartans step up next to him while we hear a voiceover that says "I thought I was the last... I was wrong" would suffice.

When I first saw the Prophets in Halo 2, I didn't freak out and say "ZOMFG WHO ARE THOSE GUYS?" I paid attention and used deductive reasoning to figure out that they were the hierarchs of the Covenant. Likewise, I deduced that the Arbiter was responsible for the Covenant fleet at Halo. I don't think people would be confused, so I've always found that to be a bad argument against more Spartans being included in Halo 3.

Now, as to whether or not it's good for the story- that's for Bungie to decide. Personally, I think confusion could easily be cleared via either a short or long cut scene. I doubt people will turn off the game in anger. I mean, heck, people hated the Arbiter but still played Halo 2.

Personally, I think the Spartans should only really be included in the game in a co-op function, as a side story that somewhat ties into the campaign.

  • 07.06.2006 4:42 PM PDT

They could have a seperate video section in the game, which could use cutscenes to briefly tell the story of the Spartans from creation to where they are now. That way people who don't know about them can learn what they need to know, whilst it's still kept seperate from the campaign so those in the know aren't forced to sit through a long vid they don't need to.

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then we may as well recall all H1 copies and change the text on the back that says:

"You are the last of your kind"

  • 07.06.2006 5:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: DrewbieDew
moeron21's idea is awesome and it would work

yeah it would and I think people can handle workin as a team of spartans if they can tie it in right

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You could introduce a class 3 group of Spartans. Or class 2, that hasn't really been looked into.

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The unfortunate thing is that the best way to have implemented multiple Spartans would have been to include mention of them, even in the past tense, during Halo 2.

"Just came up from Somnim this morning," Master Guns said, "It's the new prototype armour for the Spartans but since they were all wiped out at Reach I guess it's just yours. Shame about that really."

"Smile for the Cameras Chief," Sargent Johnson urged, "we gotta let the folks at home think the Spartans are still out there fighting for them."

Add a few more references throughout the game to keep it in mind and then they should have, after the line, "Finish the Fight" should have added another cut-scene with a desolated planet or some other location and a Spartan's arm rising up from underneath some rubble.

Personally, I don't think there will be Spartans in there. Bungie missed their chance to weave it into the mythos. The same way they missed the opportunity to make the Arbiter feel more "real" by having him take on some humans in game.

Nor do I think Ackerson or his project will make an appearance in game. I think whatever he's doing will be totally contained within the novel and some tragic disaster will befall them, preventing them from joining the Master Chief.

I read the novels, they weren't Orson Scott Card, that's for certain. I pretty much wish I hadn't read them. Eric Nylund has to go back to high school and learn about physics. I really hope as little of them make it into the game as possible.

  • 07.06.2006 5:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
MLG, a few others and I talked about this. We came to the conclusion that a long cutscene at the beginning of the game, explaining and introducing.


i agree with you heretic that would be the best way without more spartans i feel the stprie line will be ruined and fyi any one says books and game don't coincide they do! lisson to chatter and cinematics many things are said about the events within the books

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my liege is wise

i just think these extra spartans will steal chief's show

its like having more "Neo's" in the matrix.

it would make chief look more "average"

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Posted by: whiteultraelite8
You know there are tonnes of topics about wheather there will be more spartans or not and people arguing about it like crazy. Why don't we figure a way to introduce them without confusing the people who have not read the books.
Here is my idea and don't flame me its just an idea. Earth saw how successfull the spartan project was with dealing with the covenant and decided to start making spartans of thier own. It would explain how the chief got his new armor and people would not get confused because the spartans were created on earth. Plus then we would not have to deal with introducing the spartans who were in first strike and just leave them in the books.
What are your guys idea on how to introduce new spartans?


Flashback...

  • 07.06.2006 6:05 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
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my liege is wise

i just think these extra spartans will steal chief's show

its like having more "Neo's" in the matrix.

it would make chief look more "average"


depends on how you look at it. while all spartans are pretty baddass, they are not all created equal. MC was known by dr. halsey and cortana as the luckiest spartan. which ties into the survival of impossible odds and al of that good stuff.

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Posted by: jonny 888
They could have a seperate video section in the game, which could use cutscenes to briefly tell the story of the Spartans from creation to where they are now. That way people who don't know about them can learn what they need to know, whilst it's still kept seperate from the campaign so those in the know aren't forced to sit through a long vid they don't need to.

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Your are genius!! Why the hell didn't I think of that god kid that is genius pure genius why the hell did you post so late? Dam thats the best way to introduce them. nobody would get confused impossible perfect idea. I hope to god bungie sees this thread and sees the idea. I mean why not have a seperate section for video intorducing the spartans? There is no problem with that at all plus saves a lot of time including it in the campgain. Now we can have the spartans in the story and we don't have to play them and ppl are happy. We get what we both want.

  • 07.06.2006 10:35 PM PDT
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I think if they do introduce other spartans, they should not be playable. Most of them should end up dying. It would be pretty easy though to introduce them. The admiral could just be like, Master Cheif , we ran into a couple of old freinds. Then it shows the spartans like heroicly walking in to the room with like cool music. Then one could tell what had happened to them and why they were absent the first to games. It should be shown in a large memory cut scene thing. I think that would be pretty cool. An come on deep down you know you want to see some more spartans.

  • 07.06.2006 11:06 PM PDT
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We could not use them at all.

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Or we could instead use them and have bundles of fun

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Posted by: Marathon Maniac
We could not use them at all.

Meany :(

  • 07.06.2006 11:12 PM PDT
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It would certainly add a new dynamic. Hopefully they aren't worried too much about deadlines to include a nod to the origins of the SPARTAN program

  • 07.07.2006 3:04 AM PDT

Posted by: The Lone Heretic
MLG, a few others and I talked about this. We came to the conclusion that a long cutscene at the beginning of the game, explaining and introducing.

Sorry, I really don't think twisting, bending and otherwise forcing the story to fit a spartans reunited scenario is worth it, especially when it only serves the purpose of quenching fanboy thirst.

  • 07.07.2006 3:08 AM PDT
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sorry, ignore this post. I messed up :p

erm... I don't know how you'd introduce them, but I wouldn't mind seeing them.

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
MLG, a few others and I talked about this. We came to the conclusion that a long cutscene at the beginning of the game, explaining and introducing.

Sorry, I really don't think twisting, bending and otherwise forcing the story to fit a spartans reunited scenario is worth it, especially when it only serves the purpose of quenching fanboy thirst.


Dem fanboyz pay da billz :)

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Sorry, but I thikn that would be boring. Are people really that lazy they can't read a book?


That comment is so stupid I can barely deal with it.

People aren't lazy if they'd rather a game tell its OWN story.

  • 07.07.2006 3:40 AM PDT