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Posted by: Viper Skills
The Mexican-American War? The Texas Revolution? I'm assuming this is how you are relating Mexico to this? If so, I will have to laugh if you find the alteration of borders to be a strictly American ordeal.

Countries used to fight for land. This should not be news.

How is expanding from a few relatively small colonies on one coast to a continent wide superpower not imperialistic?

  • 12.29.2012 12:16 PM PDT

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Taliban.


Iraq War

Should probably brush up on your knowledge.

Because the Taliban didn't flood into Iraq right and wasn't a huge factor in the invasion right?
Should have known you were a troll. Goddamn it.

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Eh, I'm bored anyway.

The Taliban are in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Iraq. They were never in Iraq. You said that they flooded into Iraq? Hmm, assuming they traveled by land, they'd probably have to go through Iran. I don't see that happening since Iran hates the Taliban arguably more than we do. They were not and never were a reason for the invasion of Iraq.

  • 12.29.2012 12:18 PM PDT

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lolno.

The United States pretty much seizes peaceful countries. That's Imperialist behavior.

Name them. I want you to name them.

Mexico
Guam
Iraq
Puerto Rico
Berlin

Iraq wasn't peaceful. And Berlin (which is a city)? You are referring to WWII right? When the National Socialists were hell bent on world domination.

And the Mexican American war was all for land. Can't really consider that an imperialistic invasion. Guam and Puerto Rico are just territories who might as well be part of the union anyway.

After we killed Saddam it was. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It being all about land makes it even more imperialist. Part of the union because we conquered them.

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Taliban.


Iraq War

Should probably brush up on your knowledge.

Because the Taliban didn't flood into Iraq right and wasn't a huge factor in the invasion right?


Oh my God, the idiocy in this post is why I love the Flood. No, it was Al-Qeada that flooded into Iraq, son.

  • 12.29.2012 12:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Humble Rose

Posted by: Sgt Mag1
Eh, I'm bored anyway.

The Taliban are in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Iraq. They were never in Iraq. You said that they flooded into Iraq? Hmm, assuming they traveled by land, they'd probably have to go through Iran. I don't see that happening since Iran hates the Taliban arguably more than we do. They were not and never were a reason for the invasion of Iraq.

Hmm... I seem to have made a huge error...
There we go. We all make mistakes.

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Posted by: Viper Skills
The Mexican-American War? The Texas Revolution? I'm assuming this is how you are relating Mexico to this? If so, I will have to laugh if you find the alteration of borders to be a strictly American ordeal.

Countries used to fight for land. This should not be news.

How is expanding from a few relatively small colonies on one coast to a continent wide superpower not imperialistic?


I'm talking about in a modern sense, not a historical one. America's expansionist campaigns stopped long ago. However, I will concede that our states were the subject of imperialism.

  • 12.29.2012 12:21 PM PDT

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After we killed Saddam it was. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It being all about land makes it even more imperialist. Part of the union because we conquered them.

So I'm going to touch on Iraq. You're telling me that we can simply kill the leader of their country and just take off?
No, but we can have a democratically elected president that not an American pawn.

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Posted by: Garem
After we killed Saddam it was. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It being all about land makes it even more imperialist. Part of the union because we conquered them.

So I'm going to touch on Iraq. You're telling me that we can simply kill the leader of their country and just take off?
No, but we can have a democratically elected president that not an American pawn.
To be fair, their leaders were democratically elected.

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lolno.

The United States pretty much seizes peaceful countries. That's Imperialist behavior.

Name them. I want you to name them.

Mexico
Guam
Iraq
Puerto Rico
Berlin

Iraq wasn't peaceful. And Berlin (which is a city)? You are referring to WWII right? When the National Socialists were hell bent on world domination.

And the Mexican American war was all for land. Can't really consider that an imperialistic invasion. Guam and Puerto Rico are just territories who might as well be part of the union anyway.

After we killed Saddam it was. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It being all about land makes it even more imperialist. Part of the union because we conquered them.


Since when is Iraq part of the union? They are their own sovereign country, bro. We have no more troops stationed there, and their army is not an extension of ours. Berlin? Really?

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lol Wikipedia.

OT: I disagree with you.


Yeah, because two links that are sourced out the wazoo must be inaccurate. Care to dispute my three links with any links of your own?

  • 12.29.2012 12:24 PM PDT


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Name them. I want you to name them.

Mexico
Guam
Iraq
Puerto Rico
Berlin

Iraq wasn't peaceful. And Berlin (which is a city)? You are referring to WWII right? When the National Socialists were hell bent on world domination.

And the Mexican American war was all for land. Can't really consider that an imperialistic invasion. Guam and Puerto Rico are just territories who might as well be part of the union anyway.

After we killed Saddam it was. Yes, that's what I'm referring to. It being all about land makes it even more imperialist. Part of the union because we conquered them.


Since when is Iraq part of the union? They are their own sovereign country, bro. We have no more troops stationed there, and their army is not an extension of ours. Berlin? Really?

MY GOD.

I hate it when people don't read. I was referring to Guam and Puerto Rico, not Iraq.

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I hate it when people don't read. I was referring to Guam and Puerto Rico, not Iraq.


Both nations are considered American territories and have had the option of joining the Union. I am not aware of many empires in the past that gave anyone choices.

Has the US done things that fall in line with imperialism in the past? Yes. Are they considered an empire? No.

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MY GOD.

I hate it when people don't read. I was referring to Guam and Puerto Rico, not Iraq.


Puerto Rico was just given the chance to separate from the United States, and instead they are pushing for statehood. While Guam voted in favor of being a common wealth.

Moreover, I'm talking about a modern sense. I have admitted that our borders were founded on the crux of imperialism. However, America today, though it has some imperialistic characteristics, is a hegemonic power.

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Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
I'm talking about in a modern sense, not a historical one. America's expansionist campaigns stopped long ago. However, I will concede that our states were the subject of imperialism.

We're not the same country we were during those types on conquests, but I'm not sure how you can claim a country is no longer an empire when you freely admit the vast majority of their territory came from imperialistic expansion.

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Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
I'm talking about in a modern sense, not a historical one. America's expansionist campaigns stopped long ago. However, I will concede that our states were the subject of imperialism.

We're not the same country we were during those types on conquests, but I'm not sure how you can claim a country is no longer an empire when you freely admit the vast majority of their territory came from imperialistic expansion.


Because those territories, such as Guam and Puerto Rico, have been given ample chances to leave from the Union. That's not a empire, bro, where territories are forced to stay and are subjected to unfair economic and political treatment.

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Lol Rose your not even trying anymore.

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Posted by: ZiIch
Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
I'm talking about in a modern sense, not a historical one. America's expansionist campaigns stopped long ago. However, I will concede that our states were the subject of imperialism.

We're not the same country we were during those types on conquests, but I'm not sure how you can claim a country is no longer an empire when you freely admit the vast majority of their territory came from imperialistic expansion.


Because those territories, such as Guam and Puerto Rico, have been given ample chances to leave from the Union. That's not a empire, bro, where territories are forced to stay and are subjected to unfair economic and political treatment.

You did not say Guam and Puerto Rico. You clearly said states.

And as I recall, states did try to leave one time. And secession is illegal.

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Obviously.

Yeah, anyone who is actually bothering to make such claims really ought to know the difference (the problem obviously being that they don't).

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