What are these first person words you speak of?
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
Where did you get your facts about this?
I'd like to know where the day in day out (NOT SUPERMAN PRIME) Superman has infinite strength, and where Goku, at his highest level of transformation can only lift 16,000 tons.
The force from Goku hitting other people shakes the entire planet. The whole planet. Think about that, his punch to another person, the shock waves shake and entire planet, and you are saying he can only lift 16,000.
Goku is actually capable of FTL. He moves faster than light. And that isn't instant transmission. That's his fighting speed. Furthermore, he's capable of speeding up his frame of reference so that he can see things moving at FTL. That's how he's always able to follow a fight when its so fast that's its invisible to everyone else.
Sorry, Supes is going down. He could probably outsmart Goku. Maybe Superman could use his brain to beat Goku, but not in a fight.
Superman
-Strength: Infinite. In Final Crisis Superman and Captain Marvel lift a book with infinite pages. Even if each page has 0.000000000000001g of mass it still becomes infinite mass. Meaning both Superman and Captain Marvel's strength is infinite in main continuity DC canon.
-Speed: Faster than light. Superman flies to Saturn in four minutes.
Saturn is 1,400,000,000km from the sun. So 1,400,000,000,000 metres. Take Superman 240 seconds to get there. 1,400,000,000,000 / 240 = 5,833,333,333,333.3...m/s. Light speed is 299,792,458m/s. Making Superman considerably faster than light.
Goku
-Strength: 16,000 tonnes, to anywhere well under infinite depending on how you measure.
Base form Goku lifts a max of 40 tonnes. This is learned from training on other world where King Kai loads up Goku with 40 tonnes of weight, at which point Goku becomes unable to move.
Super Saiyan form boosts power 50 fold. Then Super Saiyan 2 doubles it, and Super Saiyan 3 quadruples it. I did my math very wrong the first time with that post though because I forgot to stack the forms, it should be this:
Base Form, 40 tonnes. Super Saiyan, 2000. Super Saiyan 2, 100,000. Super Saiyan 3, 5,000,000. Which is a good bit less than infinite tonnes.
-Speed: 1,041,500,000 km/h (under light speed which is 1,079,252,850km/h).
In Saiyan saga Goku's power level is somewhere between 9000-10,000 after Kai's training. Snake way is 1,000,000 km and he traveled it in two days, so he was traveling 20,830 km/h. That's a whole lot less than light speed which is 1080 million km/h.
But if top speed at 9000 was 20,830 km/h and Goku's power level at Super Saiyan 3 is 450,000,000 then the fastest he ever was in manga canon would have been (assuming one power level grants a fixed amount of speed and they stack with more added):
One power level is 2.31 k/h of speed. 450,000,000 times 2.31 is 1,041,500,000 km/h for Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Which is still just under light speed.
Gravity on the kai worlds is higher, however. So wouldn't 40 become higher? Not only that, but Goku wasn't lifting, he was punching.
Both of these are why there is too much grey area atm. Clarify them if you want, however.