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They both break the laws of physics. In fact a good 99.999% of both universe do that in ever single episode/issue. The difference is Supes' feats >>>>>>>>> Goku's. We've never seen Goku moving planets, flying faster than light, or surviving exploding suns (in fact it's been established the sun is a viable way to kill villains in DBZ seeing as how Coola and Broly were both destroyed by it, whereas Superman can casually stroll through one like nothing).


But we aren't talking about Coola or Broly. We are talking about Goku. Goku at his highest level of transformation.


Even at Super Saiyan 3, he's still never done anything close to Superman's feats.

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why can't people understand. Superman's power level would be like 10,000. Goku's is like 90million.


Also, Goku is faster. That counts for a lot. He's faster than Flash, and can slow down his personal reference level to perceive things that are moving that fast. Can Superman even do that?

Ok thats bull -blam!-. No way in hell is Goku faster than Flash. Never mind Superman. That's like saying a slug is faster than a Formula 1 race car.

Superman can move several times faster than light. I'm pretty sure Goku is no where close to that.
goku has instant transmission, or whatever the -blam!- its called, meaning, he's here one second, and where ever the -blam!- else in the universe he wants to be in that same second.


He has to sense where he wants to go first. Meanwhile, in one-trillionth of a second, Superman tears off Goku's arms, legs, and head and then goes off to -blam!- Wonder Woman.

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Goku at his max against regular Sups? Yup, this is a victory. Goku.

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I don't think Thor could beat up goku and supes, Thor may be the god of thunder but he isn't that strong. I mean even the hulk has beaten up Thor, and the hulk isn't nearly as strong as goku or superman.

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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Goku at his max against regular Sups? Yup, this is a victory. Goku.


Also, Supes' power level is about 50, while Goku's is 90,000,000,000.

  • 12.30.2012 12:19 PM PDT


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Batman can't do -blam!- to Goku, while it can to Supes.
I'm just using his own logical progression.

The first statement was: If Batman could Kick Superman's ass so can Goku.

Which basically just sums up as X > Y > Z, X > Z.

But the statement was logically impossible in that form which he put it, because Goku(X) could not kick Superman's(Z) ass, and so it needs to be rearranged so that Goku is lesser than Superman. This means Goku must become Z, and Superman Y. This leaves Batman to be X.

Meaning the true form of the statement is: If Superman can kick Goku's ass, so can Batman.

If you had any brain cells left, you'll know the only way Batman could stand a chance against supes was by using kryptonite. Goku has no such weakness, the only way to beat him is by ovrpowering him. which makes your statement incorrect.

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Posted by: Painis Cupcake
I don't think Thor could beat up goku and supes, Thor may be the god of thunder but he isn't that strong. I mean even the hulk has beaten up Thor, and the hulk isn't nearly as strong as goku or superman.


Thor has feats on par with Superman if not greater, and Mjolnir gives him the one-up on Superman seeing as how Superman has no resistance to magic.

Hulk lasting more than a few seconds against Thor is usually PIS on Thor's part or plot power on Hulk's part.

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Meanwhile, in one-trillionth of a second, Superman tears off Goku's arms, legs, and head and then goes off to -blam!- Wonder Woman.


Yeah, bull-blam!-. Regular Supes against maxed out Goku means insta-kill for Goku.

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Batman can't do -blam!- to Goku, while it can to Supes.
I'm just using his own logical progression.

The first statement was: If Batman could Kick Superman's ass so can Goku.

Which basically just sums up as X > Y > Z, X > Z.

But the statement was logically impossible in that form which he put it, because Goku(X) could not kick Superman's(Z) ass, and so it needs to be rearranged so that Goku is lesser than Superman. This means Goku must become Z, and Superman Y. This leaves Batman to be X.

Meaning the true form of the statement is: If Superman can kick Goku's ass, so can Batman.

If you had any brain cells left, you'll know the only way Batman could stand a chance against supes was by using kryptonite. Goku has no such weakness, the only way to beat him is by ovrpowering him. which makes your statement incorrect.


You need some work on your reading comprehension.

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Meanwhile, in one-trillionth of a second, Superman tears off Goku's arms, legs, and head and then goes off to -blam!- Wonder Woman.


Yeah, bull-blam!-. Regular Supes against maxed out Goku means insta-kill for Goku.


Goku at max power would mean Super Saiyan 4. (I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S CANNON) Thus, a Super Dragon Fist or two could have Supes down for the count.

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They both break the laws of physics. In fact a good 99.999% of both universe do that in ever single episode/issue. The difference is Supes' feats >>>>>>>>> Goku's. We've never seen Goku moving planets, flying faster than light, or surviving exploding suns (in fact it's been established the sun is a viable way to kill villains in DBZ seeing as how Coola and Broly were both destroyed by it, whereas Superman can casually stroll through one like nothing).


But we aren't talking about Coola or Broly. We are talking about Goku. Goku at his highest level of transformation.


Even at Super Saiyan 3, he's still never done anything close to Superman's feats.
Super Saiyan 4. Not three, four.

The true form of the Super Saiyan.

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Meanwhile, in one-trillionth of a second, Superman tears off Goku's arms, legs, and head and then goes off to -blam!- Wonder Woman.


Yeah, bull-blam!-. Regular Supes against maxed out Goku means insta-kill for Goku.


Maybe Golden Age Supes. Yeah, the one from the '30s.

Modern Superman lifted a book with infinite pages and survives exploding stars. Goku can't do -blam!- even in Super Saiyan 3.

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(Superman owns Goku in every way.)
Didn't normal superman lift a book with infinite pages? Which would mean he's stronger than Goku in strength.

Silver/Bronze Age (Pre-Crisis) Superman:
Super Strength: Superman's strength was increased to the point where he could move entire planets.

Super Speed: Superman's speed increased to the point where he could travel faster than light. Several stories depict him traversing great distances through space to other solar systems and distant galaxies and even other universes. He could cross our own solar system in minutes. He could also use this power to travel through time, as shown in his boyhood visits to the 30th century as a member of the Legion of Superheroes. Superman can also swim at speeds approaching Aquaman's speed as well as run at speeds similar to that of the Flash. Superman is unable to beat Flash in a race.

Invulnerability: By the 1970s, Superman became able to withstand an atomic explosion and even fly through the core of a star. He was also immune to non-Kryptonian diseases and all radiation except for that of a red sun or Kryptonite.

Vision: In addition to X-ray vision and heat vision, Superman was also given telescopic and microscopic vision. The character could see across interstellar distances and observe events that occurred on a microscopic and even atomic level. He could also see across the full electromagnetic spectrum, including infra-red and ultraviolet light.

Hearing: Superman could hear sound at almost any wavelength and at great distances.

Super Breath: Superman's breath was capable of freezing objects and generating hurricane-force winds. He could also hold his breath indefinitely, allowing him to travel underwater or in space without breathing apparatus.

Mental Powers: Superman possessed genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory. These enhanced mental capabilities were a direct result of his exposure to a yellow sun, as evidenced by the depiction of Superman's dog, Krypto. While under a yellow sun, Krypto's intelligence was boosted to that of a typical human. Superman also possessed the mental ability to screen out the enormous amount of information received by his enhanced senses, and to focus on a single detail, such as a particular voice or location. As well, his speed reading abilities were much like that of the Flash. He was able to absorb large amounts of information quickly; whether it entered his short term or long term memory is hazy.

Super Ventriloquism: Superman could throw his voice across great distances. This power was used to confuse enemies or protect his secret identity by tricking others into believing that he (or Clark Kent) was in a different location.

Super Hypnotism: This power enabled Superman to hypnotize anyone. He could make people forget incidents or obey his commands. This power was often used to safeguard his identity.

Stamina: Superman could survive indefinitely without food, water, or rest due to the yellow sun's radiation sustaining him.

Healing factor:Superman could regenerate physical damage to his body at an accelerated rate. He was able to regenerate when Wonder Woman slit his throat with her tiara in Wonder Woman #219. In the series Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Superman regenerates his body after being reduced to near a skeleton by a special nuke that was designed to blot out sun light and disrupt energy. Superman's healing rate has been inconsistently portrayed, however. In the first issue of the "Superman/Batman" comic, Alfred is able to remove a Kryptonite bullet from Superman's body without fear of the wound closing (probably because the Kryptonite was affecting his ability to heal).

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They both break the laws of physics. In fact a good 99.999% of both universe do that in ever single episode/issue. The difference is Supes' feats >>>>>>>>> Goku's. We've never seen Goku moving planets, flying faster than light, or surviving exploding suns (in fact it's been established the sun is a viable way to kill villains in DBZ seeing as how Coola and Broly were both destroyed by it, whereas Superman can casually stroll through one like nothing).


But we aren't talking about Coola or Broly. We are talking about Goku. Goku at his highest level of transformation.


Even at Super Saiyan 3, he's still never done anything close to Superman's feats.
Super Saiyan 4. Not three, four.

The true form of the Super Saiyan.


GT wasn't canon.

And even if it was, not even Gogeta could do much to hurt Superman.

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Meanwhile, in one-trillionth of a second, Superman tears off Goku's arms, legs, and head and then goes off to -blam!- Wonder Woman.


Yeah, bull-blam!-. Regular Supes against maxed out Goku means insta-kill for Goku.


Maybe Golden Age Supes. Yeah, the one from the '30s.

Modern Superman lifted a book with infinite pages and survives exploding stars. Goku can't do -blam!- even in Super Saiyan 3.


Yes. Super Saiyan 3.

We're talking about max power Goku.

That is Super Saiyan 4.

Yes, four.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

Same here. His max is not even close at this saga. But on Namek both Goku and Frieza were afraid of lava. And lava is no near as hot as the sun.

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Superman is obviously going to win. Though since people in here falsely believe that he's only 10 times stronger than the average human I can understand their confusion on the matter.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.
And we're waiting for you to prove he can't.

Look, just because he hasn't yet, does not mean he can't. Superman's comic has been running for nearly a hundred years. That means they have had more time to develop him. He's had the time to be shown flying through suns and such. How long did Dragon Ball run? There hasn't been enough time to show him doing all that.

So, just because he hasn't been shown doing it does not mean he can't. It doesn't mean he can do it, and not that he can't.

You are taking the logical position that unless demonstrated, it is impossible. That's a fallacy.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

He said that when he went super saiyan 4 that not even the sun can hurt him now.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

He said that when he went super saiyan 4 that not even the sun can hurt him now.

Saying=/=Actually proving it.

Frieza said he can defeat Goku and we all know how that ended up for him.



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And we're waiting for you to prove he can't.


This isn't how the burden of proof works. That one guy on the last pae claimed Goku can survive in the sun as well as Superman. I asked him to prove that. He has yet to do so.

Look, just because he hasn't yet, does not mean he can't.

The sun has killed two (non-canon) villains and as Berzerk said fire and heat has been a danger to DBZ characters whereas it would do nothing at all to Superman.

Superman's comic has been running for nearly a hundred years. That means they have had more time to develop him. He's had the time to be shown flying through suns and such. How long did Dragon Ball run? There hasn't been enough time to show him doing all that.

The series is pretty much over except for that new movie coming out in 2013. Goku's feats still <<< Superman's. The amount of time he had to do so is irrelevant; the fact is he's never flown through suns, never moved planets, never escaped black holes, never done anything Superman has.

So, just because he hasn't been shown doing it does not mean he can't.

I could say Superman -blam!-s atom bombs and can solo the Green Lantern Corps., just because he's never done that doesn't mean he can't.

It doesn't mean he can do it, and not that he can't.

You are taking the logical position that unless demonstrated, it is impossible. That's a fallacy.


All we have to work with in vs threads are feats and logic. It's logical that since heat is an issue for Goku he cannot survive in the sun, whereas Superman can and has.

  • 12.30.2012 12:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: And Im Here Too
I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

He said that when he went super saiyan 4 that not even the sun can hurt him now.

Saying=/=Actually proving it.

Frieza said he can defeat Goku. And we all know how that ended up for him.


He also fought a guy who was using attacks much hotter than the sun.

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I'm still waiting for proof that Goku can survive the sun without harm.

He said that when he went super saiyan 4 that not even the sun can hurt him now.

Saying=/=Actually proving it.

Frieza said he can defeat Goku. And we all know how that ended up for him.


He also fought a guy who was using attacks much hotter than the sun.


Namely...?

  • 12.30.2012 12:48 PM PDT