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Subject: Superman vs Goku

dat feeling when you plow a multi-ton covenant war machine.

gotta go with superman on this one.

  • 12.30.2012 2:20 PM PDT


Posted by: SocialHunter
if he could get close to him at all

He can instant transmission in front of his ass.

  • 12.30.2012 2:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.

Which means Goku can't beat Superman on his own power. He has to use some outside resource to severely weaken him. So by that post you pretty much said Goku is weaker than Superman.

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Posted by: SocialHunter
if he could get close to him at all

He can instant transmission in front of his ass.

which is only as fast as his thinking.
and superman can still use his heat vision

  • 12.30.2012 2:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Fat Man 3000

Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.


How is Goku going to know what kryptonite is, where to get it and that it's Superman's weakness?

  • 12.30.2012 2:23 PM PDT


Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.

Which means Goku can't beat Superman on his own power. He has to use some outside resource to severely weaken him. So by that post you pretty much said Goku is weaker than Superman.

You're the one saying he's a God like being and nothing can kill him.

  • 12.30.2012 2:23 PM PDT

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

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why can't people understand. Superman's power level would be like 10,000. Goku's is like 90million.


Also, Goku is faster. That counts for a lot. He's faster than Flash, and can slow down his personal reference level to perceive things that are moving that fast. Can Superman even do that?
Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
He's faster than Flash
HAHAHA NO

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Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.

Which means Goku can't beat Superman on his own power. He has to use some outside resource to severely weaken him. So by that post you pretty much said Goku is weaker than Superman.

You're the one saying he's a God like being and nothing can kill him.

lolwut

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Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.

Which means Goku can't beat Superman on his own power. He has to use some outside resource to severely weaken him. So by that post you pretty much said Goku is weaker than Superman.

You're the one saying he's a God like being and nothing can kill him.


Plenty of things can kill Superman.

Goku just isn't one of them.

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Charlie apparently considers the movies non-canon, so why would a spinoff that wasn't made by Toriyama (though he approves of it) be considered canon? Most people don't consider it canon anyway.
Please find my post and quote it before putting words in my mouth.


Well somebody said the movies weren't canon, and I was like, 'okay, fine'.

And if the DBZ movies aren't canon (aside from Bardock's first movie and Future Trunks') to the the series they are for, why is DBGT, when it is merely a spin-off and not even made by the creator?

  • 12.30.2012 2:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dragondude8o
He could use kryptonite and render him useless.


How is Goku going to know what kryptonite is, where to get it and that it's Superman's weakness?


Well, considering that everyone and their mother in the DCverse somehow knows what Kryptonite is and where to find it...

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Posted by: Zanir
Well, considering that everyone and their mother in the DCverse somehow knows what Kryptonite is and where to find it...


Fatal flaw in your post. Goku isn't apart of the DCverse

  • 12.30.2012 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zanir
Well, considering that everyone and their mother in the DCverse somehow knows what Kryptonite is and where to find it...


Fatal flaw in your post. Goku isn't apart of the DCverse


Well, having these two fight is opening a portal between their two universes. Goku could have just found some in the DCverse. Unless Charlie wants to specify exactly where they're fighting.

  • 12.30.2012 2:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zanir
Well, considering that everyone and their mother in the DCverse somehow knows what Kryptonite is and where to find it...


Fatal flaw in your post. Goku isn't apart of the DCverse


Well, having these two fight is opening a portal between their two universes. Goku could have just found some in the DCverse. Unless Charlie wants to specify exactly where they're fighting.


Goku doesn't even know what Kryptonite is, even if some magical portal opened up to let him into the DCverse. He'd probably try to eat it and then die of radiation. That is if he isn't swatted aside by the Spectre as soon as Spectre realizes something is wrong.

  • 12.30.2012 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
I'd like to know where the day in day out (NOT SUPERMAN PRIME) Superman has infinite strength,

In Superman Beyond, Superman and Captain Marvel lift a book with infinite pages. Therefore Superman possesses infinite strength.

2+2=4

Oh and he held a black hole in his hands, and those are essentially infinite.

and where Goku, at his highest level of transformation can only lift 16,000 tons.
I don't know who stated this, but regular Goku struggles to lift buildings IIRC.

The force from Goku hitting other people shakes the entire planet.
The force in which Superman hits can cleave planets.

Goku is actually capable of FTL. He moves faster than light. And that isn't instant transmission. That's his fighting speed. Furthermore, he's capable of speeding up his frame of reference so that he can see things moving at FTL. That's how he's always able to follow a fight when its so fast that's its invisible to everyone else.
Source for this? Without instant transmission he's only supersonic IIRC, but then again I'm not a DBZ expert, although I'm pretty sure he's nowhere near light speed.

Sorry, Supes is going down. He could probably outsmart Goku. Maybe Superman could use his brain to beat Goku, but not in a fight.
lol no

  • 12.31.2012 5:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
I don't know who stated this, but regular Goku struggles to lift buildings IIRC.


T'was me. At 16,000 is the maxium estimate.

Watch this scene (which also happens in the manga) where Goku fails to lift up 40 tons. That means, at SSJ3 (SSJ multiples his power level by 50, SSJ2 by 2, SSJ3 by 4) his maximum lifting is 16,000 tons.

Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

  • 12.31.2012 5:40 AM PDT

Superman.

He sneezed and it destroyed an entire solar system.

  • 12.31.2012 5:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Fat Man 3000
Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.

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You don't get it son. This isn't a mud hole, it's an operating table. And I'm the surgeon.

To the guy who stated superman held a black hole in his hands and lifted a book that had an infinite amount of pages. Why the -blam!- is superman so overpowered? And they dont give him rogues that are as powerful AND intelligent or more other than darkseid, doomsday, ultraman and zod(Im not even sure about this one kal el still seems alot more powerful than him). Maybe braniac comes close but in the end supes is still more powerful. Metallo is still weaker, slower and isnt as resilient as superman either but he has kryptonite but once supes finds a way around that green rock then hes nothing to him. This is exactly what makes superman kind of boring.

At least with goku all of his main enemies were always more powerful and intelligent than he was. Save for frieza the only thing he could do against them is hit them with everything he had and even then sometimes that didnt work. Thats what makes gokus battles more interesting. If only death did mean something in DBZ it would be even more exciting.

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: The Fat Man 3000
Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.


Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

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Posted by: The Batman 99
To the guy who stated superman held a black hole in his hands and lifted a book that had an infinite amount of pages. Why the -blam!- is superman so overpowered? And they dont give him rogues that are as powerful AND intelligent or more other than darkseid, doomsday, ultraman and zod(Im not even sure about this one kal el still seems alot more powerful than him). Maybe braniac comes close but in the end supes is still more powerful. Metallo is still weaker, slower and isnt as resilient as superman either but he has kryptonite but once supes finds a way around that green rock then hes nothing to him. This is exactly what makes superman kind of boring.


But Superman's villains aren't just about being strong. It's about the psychological threat they hold. Superman could easily stop them, but their intelligence and power over the people and Superman himself stops him. It's what makes Lex Luthor a great villain (same with the joker and Batman really).

With that said, I still really like Brainiac and Darkseid as villains.

Posted by: The Batman 99
At least with goku all of his main enemies were alway
s more powerful and intelligent than he was. Save for frieza the only thing he could do against them is hit them with everything he had and even then sometimes that didnt work. Thats what makes gokus battles more interesting. If only death did mean something in DBZ it would be even more exciting.


Problem is with DBZ, if hitting them hard didn't work? Transform to the next level of Super Sayain. Done.

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Posted by: The Fat Man 3000
Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.


Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?

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Posted by: The Fat Man 3000
Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.


Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?


You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

  • 12.31.2012 6:02 AM PDT