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After thinking this over Goku is going to roflstomp Superman. Because Goku is going to get some godly plot device Zenkai.

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Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons.

Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.


Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?


You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

I meant any comic iteration. I suppose I should have mad that more clear. Apologies.

Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.

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Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.


Well at the very end of justice league unlimited Superman just punched Darkseid right in teh face and sent him flying all the way through Metropolis.

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If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?

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If Goku can somehow recover from getting bested by Supes, wouldn't he get a giant Zenkai?

He sure would because the plot demands it.

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Posted by: Kai Hiwatari
If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.

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At least with goku all of his main enemies were alway
s more powerful and intelligent than he was. Save for frieza the only thing he could do against them is hit them with everything he had and even then sometimes that didnt work. Thats what makes gokus battles more interesting. If only death did mean something in DBZ it would be even more exciting.


Problem is with DBZ, if hitting them hard didn't work? Transform to the next level of Super Sayain. Done.


Eh not really. That was only with frieza but super saiyan back then meant you reached saiyan perfection and it was legendary. Cell became stronger than gohan and goku and it took all their effort and remaining power plus vegeta distracting him to beat him. They were an inch close to losing. Vegeta kicked gokus ass most of the time and it actually took all the combined efforts of the Z fighters to take him down. I mean it wasnt even a display of power, goku was smart to tell gohan to look at the artificial moon to become a great ape and crush vegeta to win.

And Majin Buu beat anything goku threw at him and the only reason he won was because he used his power and all the power from all life on planet earth.

I know hes non canon but broly was beat only because goku had all the power from teh z fighters.

Superman? It always feels like its too easy for him. I know theres the pyschological threat but that mostly happens with luthor. Mostly. He has all that power but no really good or interesting battles save for a few.

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A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

And from FOX, two phantoms were born.


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If Goku can somehow recover from getting bested by Supes, wouldn't he get a giant Zenkai?

He sure would because the plot demands it.


And if this fight were to be a DBZ movie, he'd win by getting beaten nearly to death, then coming back later and totally roflstomping him.

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If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.

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Posted by: Kai Hiwatari
If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.

His strength has been I'll admit that, but everything else has pretty much remained the same.

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Posted by: Kai Hiwatari
If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.


I meant in the realms of the DBZ universe, his own Zenkai's are greatly plot powered.

Let me put it into prospective. In the frieza saga Vegeta got two zenkais (when dealing with frieza himself). One which made him as strong as him when he was in his base form (so power level 530,000) and then another after that after being on the brink of death, which still was nothing compared to Frieza's final form.

Goku got one zenkai, from power level 180,000 to being just as strong as Frieza in his last form. What the hell?

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A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

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Posted by: Kai Hiwatari
If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.

His strength has been I'll admit that, but everything else has pretty much remained the same.


I don't get why everyone hates on Supes. Sure he's like god-tier powerful, but I always liked the character himself and what he believes in. The fact that he has respect for the law while he could break out at any time he wants is cool as hell.

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Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons. [/quote]
Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.[/quote]

Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?


You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

I meant any comic iteration. I suppose I should have mad that more clear. Apologies.

Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.


Okay now you're just jacking off to superman. Superman had trouble stopping a train and struggled a little to lift a building. Also some missiles that hit him actually scratched him. No they werent even nukes. Anyone can see DCAU supes is way weaker than goku. And his fight against darkseid wasnt that impressive compared to the way entire planets shook when goku fought his enemies. On planet namek as a super saiyan, namek was already tearing itself apart because of the force of his punches.

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I don't get why everyone hates on Supes. Sure he's like god-tier powerful, but I always liked the character himself and what he believes in. The fact that he has respect for the law while he could break out at any time he wants is cool as hell.


I've not read any Superman comics, but his character in the DCAU was great. How they made him out to be more than just a boy scout like everyone says. Like in one episode (in another universe) he kills Lex Luthor (who was voted the president), over throws the government and keeps the Earth in a state of lockdown.

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If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.

His strength has been I'll admit that, but everything else has pretty much remained the same.


I don't get why everyone hates on Supes. Sure he's like god-tier powerful, but I always liked the character himself and what he believes in. The fact that he has respect for the law while he could break out at any time he wants is cool as hell.


Read my post. Hes too powerful to the point the only threat most of his enemies pose are purely psychological. For me that makes him bore me.

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Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons. [/quote]
Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.[/quote]

Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak.

Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?


You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

I meant any comic iteration. I suppose I should have mad that more clear. Apologies.

Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.


Okay now you're just jacking off to superman. Superman had trouble stopping a train and struggled a little to lift a building.

So did Goku, and also struggled to lift 40 tons apparently.

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Posted by: Kai Hiwatari
If Goku can somehow recover from getting beasted by Supes, would't he get a giant Zenkai?


Good point, and remember that Goku's Zenkais are seriously -blam!- unfair and inconsistent.


Supermans over powered abilities are as well.


I meant in the realms of the DBZ universe, his own Zenkai's are greatly plot powered.

Let me put it into prospective. In the frieza saga Vegeta got two zenkais (when dealing with frieza himself). One which made him as strong as him when he was in his base form (so power level 530,000) and then another after that after being on the brink of death, which still was nothing compared to Frieza's final form.

Goku got one zenkai, from power level 180,000 to being just as strong as Frieza in his last form. What the hell?


Thats nothing compared to all the crazy -blam!- superman does on a daily basis. And he does it like its nothing.

And its already been explained. Unknown to the rest of the saiyans gokus low class family has a greater zenkai than anyone else. Bardock had it and so did Goku. Thats why goku is always more powerful than vegeta the entire series.

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And its already been explained. Unknown to the rest of the saiyans gokus low class family has a greater zenkai than anyone else. Bardock had it and so did Goku. Thats why goku is always more powerful than vegeta the entire series.


When was that explained? I always thought Bardock got to King Vegeta's strength because he was constantly going into battle and almost getting himself killed. And what about Raditz? He sure as hell had like no zenkais.

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Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons. [/quote]
Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.[/quote]

Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak. [/quote]
Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?[/quote]

You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

I meant any comic iteration. I suppose I should have mad that more clear. Apologies.

Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.


Okay now you're just jacking off to superman. Superman had trouble stopping a train and struggled a little to lift a building.

So did Goku, and also struggled to lift 40 tons apparently.


Yes but that puts them at the same level on strength only. In endurance, speed and power goku was far above superman. Of course we're only taking about TAS superman.

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And its already been explained. Unknown to the rest of the saiyans gokus low class family has a greater zenkai than anyone else. Bardock had it and so did Goku. Thats why goku is always more powerful than vegeta the entire series.


When was that explained? I always thought Bardock got to King Vegeta's strength because he was constantly going into battle and almost getting himself killed. And what about Raditz? He sure as hell had like no zenkais.


Thing is, raditz died and stayed dead. So of course he never got crazy zenkais like goku did. And he was low class as well, so he probably didnt go in dangerous missions. Bardock only did it because he didnt give a -blam!-.

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And its already been explained. Unknown to the rest of the saiyans gokus low class family has a greater zenkai than anyone else. Bardock had it and so did Goku. Thats why goku is always more powerful than vegeta the entire series.


When was that explained? I always thought Bardock got to King Vegeta's strength because he was constantly going into battle and almost getting himself killed. And what about Raditz? He sure as hell had like no zenkais.


Thing is, raditz died and stayed dead. So of course he never got crazy zenkais like goku did. And he was low class as well, so he probably didnt go in dangerous missions. Bardock only did it because he didnt give a -blam!-.


They didn't get zenkais from being revived.

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And its already been explained. Unknown to the rest of the saiyans gokus low class family has a greater zenkai than anyone else. Bardock had it and so did Goku. Thats why goku is always more powerful than vegeta the entire series.


When was that explained? I always thought Bardock got to King Vegeta's strength because he was constantly going into battle and almost getting himself killed. And what about Raditz? He sure as hell had like no zenkais.


Thing is, raditz died and stayed dead. So of course he never got crazy zenkais like goku did. And he was low class as well, so he probably didnt go in dangerous missions. Bardock only did it because he didnt give a -blam!-.


They didn't get zenkais from being revived.


No that doesnt happen and raditz stayed dead. They never even showed him in the afterlife. Hes probably the only dbz character that is truly dead.

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No that doesnt happen and raditz stayed dead. They never even showed him in the afterlife. Hes probably the only dbz character that is truly dead.


No, that massive purple guy said he was sent to hell, like Frieza and all them lot.

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Superman is at the power in Quintilian tons. Remember where he lifts 200 Quintilian tons after absorbing too much solar energy? The guy there says his strength has tripled. So his normal strength is Quintilian tons. [/quote]
Actually his normal strength is infinite post crisis and pre New 52. New 52 is in the sextillions IIRC.

No matter what iteration of Superman we're dealing with (unless it's Golden Age) Superman > Goku in just about everything.

It's mathematical fact.[/quote]

Uh no, animated series superman can easily get killed by goku. He was kind of weak. [/quote]
Well good thing I'm not talking about animated series huh?[/quote]

You yourself said any iteration, so you must also mean animated supes or anything non canon. Anyway I can see goku using kaioken only to beat animated supes.

I meant any comic iteration. I suppose I should have mad that more clear. Apologies.

Anyway, animated Supes speedblitzed Darkseid did he not? I'll admit that it would be close with DCAU Supes vs Goku, but I'd still say he he wins.


Okay now you're just jacking off to superman. Superman had trouble stopping a train and struggled a little to lift a building.

So did Goku, and also struggled to lift 40 tons apparently.


Yes but that puts them at the same level on strength only. In endurance, speed and power goku was far above superman. Of course we're only taking about TAS superman.

The endurance not so much. DCAU Supes can drill holes into the ocean floor, and tanked the binary fusion weapon, which was stated to be as powerful as a nuke.

We haven't really seen any speed feats either, but he's probably supersonic just like Goku.

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No that doesnt happen and raditz stayed dead. They never even showed him in the afterlife. Hes probably the only dbz character that is truly dead.


No, that massive purple guy said he was sent to hell, like Frieza and all them lot.


Frieza and company in hell with their bodies is filler and non canon. GT wasnt canon either.

In canon you dont have a body in hell. Thats where vegeta was sent when he blew himself up against buu. Why would you send beings like cell and frieza to hell with their bodies? Even with 1/8 of their power they could easily overthrow it and find a way out. Also, cell learned instant transmission. He couldve easily escaped.

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