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Posted by: Teh puma
Gravity on the kai worlds is higher, however. So wouldn't 40 become higher? Not only that, but Goku wasn't lifting, he was punching.

Both of these are why there is too much grey area atm. Clarify them if you want, however.
The gray area isn't enough to make up the difference between 5,000,000 and infinity.

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Posted by: Teh puma
Gravity on the kai worlds is higher, however. So wouldn't 40 become higher? Not only that, but Goku wasn't lifting, he was punching.

Both of these are why there is too much grey area atm. Clarify them if you want, however.
The gray area isn't enough to make up the difference between 5,000,000 and infinity.


Fair enough.




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[Edited on 12.31.2012 10:07 AM PST]

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1) where is the sauce for your math?

2) I said highest level, that's SSJ4.


A) Daizenshuu
B) GT isn't canon. But if you wanna go there lets go there. There isn't any way to indicate how much stronger SSJ4 is compared to SSJ3. However, as you have to turn into the massive ape, I suspect that SSJ4 is 500x stronger than base form, due to the 10x power increase in ape form and then I assumed doing the same thing which allowed you to go super got you SSJ4, which would be 50x. But this is mere guess work.

However, at the beginning of GT you see Goku fighting equal with uub, you see him fighting equal level with uub, who was as strong as kid buu at full power. And as he fought equally with kid buu at SSJ3, that means Goku normally in GT is 400x stronger. So 16,000 times 400 would equal 6,400,00 tons. Times that by 500 in SSJ4 and you get 3200000000 tons.

There is no way to know if is strength increases at the same rate as his power. He might get 50x the ki but only 5 times stronger. It doesn't say anywhere that he his physical strength gets the same increase as his power.

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Posted by: The Fat Man 3000
However, at the beginning of GT you see Goku fighting equal with uub, you see him fighting equal level with uub, who was as strong as kid buu at full power. And as he fought equally with kid buu at SSJ3, that means Goku normally in GT is 400x stronger. So 16,000 times 400 would equal 6,400,00 tons. Times that by 500 in SSJ4 and you get 3200000000 tons.


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Posted by: jacobwseibers
Lets just face it. Goku is OverPowered.


Goku's mid-tier. So is Superman when compared to some of DC's more powerful characters.

  • 12.31.2012 12:04 PM PDT

Superman is a comic hero, therefore he can not lose and is horrendously overpowered and it makes reading comics almost boring honestly.

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Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

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Posted by: Dragondude80
Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 8:12 AM PST]

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Posted by: Dragondude80
Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

Didn't he need Captain Marvel's help to lift that same book? LOL.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 8:21 AM PST]

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Posted by: Crazy LlamaX
Superman is a comic hero, therefore he can not lose and is horrendously overpowered and it makes reading comics almost boring honestly.

Eactly.

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Posted by: Dragondude80
Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

Didn't he need Captain Marvel's help to lift that same book? LOL.

Infinity divided by two is still infinity genius.

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Posted by: Dragondude80
Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

Didn't he need Captain Marvel's help to lift that same book? LOL.

Infinity divided by two is still infinity genius.

But if his strenght was infinite why would he need help to lift it? comic characters are so retarded, he is not a worthy fighter for Goku

[Edited on 01.01.2013 8:33 AM PST]

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Posted by: Dragondude80

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Posted by: Dragondude80
Goku can lift far more than 40 tons, he also had to do it on 10X GRAVITY; that's 400 tons. To figure out goku's max possible strenght in all of the DB series it should be like this:
Z
Base Form: 400
SSJ: 20000
SSJ2:40000
SSJ3:160000

Since we all know base GT Goku = Z SSJ3 Goku it should go like this:
GT
Base Form: 160,000
SSJ: 8,000,000
SSJ2:16,000,000
SSJ3:64,000,000
SSJ4 (10x increase): 640,000,000

That's the highest strenght we can get using "canonical" resources, thought i think his base form could have gotten much stronger than that; since that is only from early GT.

I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

Didn't he need Captain Marvel's help to lift that same book? LOL.

Infinity divided by two is still infinity genius.

But if his strenght was infinite why would he need help to lift it? comic characters are retarded, he is not a worthy fighter for Goku

Because powering up for 19 episodes while your opponent stares at you totally isn't retarded either.

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Because powering up for 19 episodes while your opponent stares at you totally isn't retarded either.


>Implying that happens in the actual Manga

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Because powering up for 19 episodes while your opponent stares at you totally isn't retarded either.


>Implying that happens in the actual Manga


>Implying I give a -blam!-.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 8:36 AM PST]

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Isn't Superman invincible?

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Posted by: Dragondude80

Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
I don't know why you guys are still pressing this argument. It's been established Superman's strength is pretty much infinite. He wins in that category. It's not debatable anymore.

Didn't he need Captain Marvel's help to lift that same book? LOL.

Infinity divided by two is still infinity genius.

But if his strenght was infinite why would he need help to lift it? comic characters are retarded, he is not a worthy fighter for Goku

Because powering up for 19 episodes while your opponent stares at you totally isn't retarded either.

Different way of writting =/= retarded inconsistencies

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Posted by: Mr Pinata
Why don't you guys just wait for the Superman vs Goku movie to come out?
When is that?

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Posted by: Ax Fielder
Isn't Superman invincible?


To pretty much everything aside from Kryptonite and magic, yes. Opponents of similar strength (read: infinite) can also harm him, though usually not enough to really bring him down.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 9:07 AM PST]

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Posted by: jacobwseibers
Lets just face it. Superman is OverPowered.

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Posted by: jacobwseibers
Lets just face it. Superman is OverPowered.



You've barely scratched the surface. There are so many comic book characters that are waaaaay more OP than Superman.

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Posted by: Dragondude80

Posted by: jacobwseibers
Lets just face it. Superman is OverPowered.



You've barely scratched the surface. There are so many comic book characters that are waaaaay more OP than Superman.


The Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern could all take out Superman pretty easily, and that's on the Justice League alone.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 9:15 AM PST]

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