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Subject: Is The United States An Empire?

"Life to you stepson and everlasting glory. " Thifes World.

Alas some do not read history. Empires do not always have Emperors. USA is a Democratic empire.

Most empires have a expanshion phase. 13 colonies broke from british rule we then expanded westward with treaties and pushing natives from this land.

So yes United States of America is concidered a Empire. Its also a Republic. Not to mention a Democracy.

We have territories as well. I think those who answered no should read US history over again. Even do some research.



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  • 12.29.2012 3:28 PM PDT

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Any questions?
So I guess any country that expands itself is considered an empire? Okay then.

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Posted by: ZiIch
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Any questions?


Okay? So what? By your definition of "empire", almost every country in existence falls under that category.

Example.


Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and Japan, for starters.

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It can only be an Empire if this guy is running it

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The UK is actually an English Empire, Wales was Annexed by England and politically joined to Scotland along with N.Ireland being under British control.

The United Kingdom is a sovereign state. There exists no British Empire today. The colonies of past aren't colonies today.
I see how that got confused with what I was saying.

Yes your right the British Empire is gone, however Britain and the UK itself is in result of English conquest and is by extension and English Empire.

Scotland normally says that anyway as an excuse to leave the union, even the film trainspotters says "We can't even find a decent culture to be colonised by".

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The US is in control of an "extensive group of states or countries" and its government acts as the supreme authority over those states or countries, hence it is an empire. /thread
by that logic, the United Kingdom is an empire. The US is a country, each state is not a sovereign state.
The United Kingdom IS an empire, just a very small one. So is France. And the states I'm referring to are territories like Guam and Puerto Rico and various islands.


But they have chosen time and time again to remain apart of the Union.
um, what? They're under the control of the United States. So are all of these.


Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.

  • 12.29.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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It depends on your definition of empire.

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Posted by: ZiIch
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Any questions?


Okay? So what? By your definition of "empire", almost every country in existence falls under that category.

Example.


Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and Japan, for starters.
So your claiming every sovereign state is an Empire?

  • 12.29.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZiIch
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Any questions?
So I guess any country that expands itself is considered an empire? Okay then.


Empires have kings. We have a economy that is set up that way with Rich corporations that operate all over with some US based.(Kingdoms both big and small)

So yes empires are expanionistic due to population growth resources and land. British Empire differs from American due to politics leading back to said nation.

[Edited on 12.29.2012 3:34 PM PST]

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Posted by: ZiIch
United States 1776

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Any questions?


Okay? So what? By your definition of "empire", almost every country in existence falls under that category.

Example.


Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and Japan, for starters.
So your claiming every sovereign state is an Empire?


Try reading our conversation.

  • 12.29.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.

  • 12.29.2012 3:33 PM PDT

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Didn't we just have this conversation yesterday?

It's not an empire, it's a hegemony.

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Try reading our conversation.
Oop's I thought you where smart enough to not say what I thought you said. :P

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.
Germany is not an Empire yet 4-5 Germanic states decided to unite.

Also if American controlled Islands make the US an Empire then the British Empire has not fallen and still exists.

  • 12.29.2012 3:36 PM PDT

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United States 1776

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Any questions?


Okay? So what? By your definition of "empire", almost every country in existence falls under that category.

Example.


Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and Japan, for starters.


Germany and Italy are products of voluntary unification.

Spain was an empire when it was out conquering the Western Hemisphere. France engaged in some imperial practices in Europe, but neither are a true empire today.

I don't know much about Japanese history, but from what I don't know of any current imperial practices. They have had some imperial practices, invading the mainland and whatnot, but nothing really came of that in the long term.

  • 12.29.2012 3:38 PM PDT

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Empires are governed by politics and affairs of the day. Not to mention economies. Check out Roman empire to Alexander the Great. 16Th century feudal japan, Ect. each empire was about its reach and the borders of that reach with laws to enforce such.

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.

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Scotland normally says that anyway as an excuse to leave the union, even the film trainspotters says "We can't even find a decent culture to be colonised by".
I didn't know nationalists spoke for Scotland

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I see how that got confused with what I was saying.

Yes your right the British Empire is gone, however Britain and the UK itself is in result of English conquest and is by extension and English Empire.

Scotland normally says that anyway as an excuse to leave the union, even the film trainspotters says "We can't even find a decent culture to be colonised by".

Well sure you can incorporate its history into the British Empire. I can say that about numerous countries today. That doesn't make it an empire today. There isn't a unanimous definition of an empire leaving some room for flexible interpretation however you'd be hard presses to bend it to the point the UK fits the mold.

  • 12.29.2012 3:39 PM PDT

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.
Germany is not an Empire yet 4-5 Germanic states decided to unite.

Also if American controlled Islands make the US an Empire then the British Empire has not fallen and still exists.
I've already said the UK is a still-existent, yet feeble empire. And Germany has no extensive series of territories outside of the landmass called Germany. If you go to Puerto Rico, you call it Puerto Rico, even though it's under the control of the US. If you go to different parts of Germany, you still call it Germany.

GG, try again tho.

  • 12.29.2012 3:40 PM PDT

"Life to you stepson and everlasting glory. " Thifes World.

Empires have three things. First an Economy, Second a standing army to fight for its sovereignty not to mention resources for said empire. Lastly political clout to do so.

Every empire has all of these. US is a Superpower so a Super Empire so to speak. Every nation has different sovereignty allowing them to be a empire of there own.

UN recognizes these rights as to the founding countries.

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.
Germany is not an Empire yet 4-5 Germanic states decided to unite.

Also if American controlled Islands make the US an Empire then the British Empire has not fallen and still exists.
I've already said the UK is a still-existent, yet feeble empire. And Germany has no extensive series of territories outside of the landmass called Germany. If you go to Puerto Rico, you call it Puerto Rico, even though it's under the control of the US. If you go to different parts of Germany, you still call it Germany.

GG, try again tho.
What are you talking about? Puerto Rico is not under direct control of the US only influenced.

British oversea's territories directly contribute to the UK and still bow to the Queen. I don't see any random Islands under American Control doing anything for the USA except being launch platforms for its military.

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United States 1776

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Any questions?


Okay? So what? By your definition of "empire", almost every country in existence falls under that category.

Example.


Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and Japan, for starters.


Germany and Italy are products of voluntary unification.


So, you are arguing that an empire rests on its territories being non-complacent with annexation?

  • 12.29.2012 3:45 PM PDT

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Yes.
What do you think the Cold war was about. You people are galoots when it comes to politics. Too busy with your heads shoved in front of science to see what is going on in the world around you.
Culturally speaking, the United States dominates with soft-power extending its grip across the globe with western media and affirming social norms commonly found in the west.

Name another country that has this many military bases around the world? Bases
This is a demonstration of hard power.
The U.S. spends more money on their military than Russia, China, and Europe.
The United states funds corrupt dictators if there is proper incentive. They also oust out dictators if there is proper incentive.

Historically, you should research a multitude of imperial wars fought by the U.S. or even Manifest Destiny.
US war timeline

Yes, the United States is an empire. You would be an idiot to say otherwise.
Also, doesn't this violate Bungie's abject "no politics," in discussion rule. Or they don't even understand how this is a highly charged political discussion. Morons.

But sure, go on and live in your fantasy land of ethnocentric bias.

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Yes, but again, they are willingly apart of the Union.
The willingness of a territory, state, or country to be part of an empire has nothing to do with whether or not the empire is, in fact, an empire.
Germany is not an Empire yet 4-5 Germanic states decided to unite.

Also if American controlled Islands make the US an Empire then the British Empire has not fallen and still exists.
I've already said the UK is a still-existent, yet feeble empire. And Germany has no extensive series of territories outside of the landmass called Germany. If you go to Puerto Rico, you call it Puerto Rico, even though it's under the control of the US. If you go to different parts of Germany, you still call it Germany.

GG, try again tho.
What are you talking about? Puerto Rico is not under direct control of the US only influenced.

British oversea's territories directly contribute to the UK and still bow to the Queen. I don't see any random Islands under American Control doing anything for the USA except being launch platforms for its military.
Puerto Rico is directly controlled by the US. They don't follow all our tax laws and they don't get to vote for President, but we own that territory. I do not need a passport to fly from the US to Puerto Rico because they are one in the same. The US owns those territories. All of them. They are under our control. Their citizens serve in our military.

The United States is an empire as per almost every non-outdated definition of the term.

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