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Subject: Utah teachers are being trained to use guns.


Posted by: BuzzKill9009
I rather have teachers be armed then hiring security guards

  • 12.30.2012 5:21 PM PDT

Murica!

  • 12.30.2012 5:22 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

Utah has been allowing teachers to carry for 11 years and there haven't been any problems with it.

Just saying.

[Edited on 12.30.2012 5:23 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2012 5:23 PM PDT

Roll tide

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Maybe seeing it from a different perspective will help. Israel has Teachers armed with guns in their school.

Number of deaths from school shooting in Israel in the last 10 years: 8
Number of deaths from school shootings in the U.S. in the last 10 years: 263*

*Not accurate, but it certainly isn't as low as Israel obviously.

Posted by: Dont pass gass
Who thought having teachers with weapons is a good idea?
The crucial difference is that Israel is a war zone


Hardly. Threatened? Yes, but war-zone? not in the slightest.
"Threatened" is a little weak of a word to describe regular rocket and mortar attacks, as well as the fear of the Arab world rolling tanks through their back door.

  • 12.30.2012 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
What have we become as a society?

This hasn't been the way before now. We didn't let fear drive us to have armed people educating our youth.

This will end badly.


This.


You need to adapt and change to new challenges to our society, you can't just hide in a dark place and say "This has never had to be done before, so it can't be done now!".

Times change, you can't just put a hold on society and say STOP!... well, you can... but then you turn into North Korea and your country will collapse.


Adapt?

This has to be the stupidest leap of non-logic I've seen yet. You are more likely to die by lightening to a school shooting. Seriously, you are.

While I am one for getting to the lot of a problem and solving it, this is the single most knee jerk reaction from fear the American people has done yet. I won't say there isn't a problem. There clearly is. But arming our teachers isn't a solution. It doesn't even address the problem.

It's as dumb as the people saying to ban all guns. If you are for this, do me a favor and slap yourself as hard as you can.

  • 12.30.2012 5:40 PM PDT

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Great idea Utah. How about you just give all the students some sort of weapon. As if taking something from a teacher wasn't easy already, now it'll be a gun "stuffed away in their desks."

So stupid Utah. I'd post the Toy Story meme of 'Idiots. Idiots everywhere' but I'm using my phone.

  • 12.30.2012 5:47 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Leave to Utah to put the lives of their children in danger by accepting the NRA's bullshiyat as the truth.

  • 12.30.2012 5:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
Great idea Utah. How about you just give all the students some sort of weapon. As if taking something from a teacher wasn't easy already, now it'll be a gun "stuffed away in their desks."
Anyone who thinks that students will be able to easily access or steal the teachers' firearms are just downright silly.

Some rural schools already allow teachers to have firearms during school and I've yet to hear about a school shooting occurring in one of those schools.

  • 12.30.2012 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
Great idea Utah. How about you just give all the students some sort of weapon. As if taking something from a teacher wasn't easy already, now it'll be a gun "stuffed away in their desks."
Anyone who thinks that students will be able to easily access or steal the teachers' firearms are just downright silly.

Some rural schools already allow teachers to have firearms during school and I've yet to hear about a school shooting occurring in one of those schools.


I've yet to hear about a shooting in all but all but a handful of schools. Your point is?

[Edited on 12.30.2012 5:52 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2012 5:51 PM PDT


Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Utah has been allowing teachers to carry for 11 years and there haven't been any problems with it.

Just saying.

  • 12.30.2012 5:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn
3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Mostly Anti-gun).
That's not how you spell pro gun.


There's more supported evidence on the pro side and more refuted evidence on the anti side.

  • 12.30.2012 5:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
Great idea Utah. How about you just give all the students some sort of weapon. As if taking something from a teacher wasn't easy already, now it'll be a gun "stuffed away in their desks."
Anyone who thinks that students will be able to easily access or steal the teachers' firearms are just downright silly.

Some rural schools already allow teachers to have firearms during school and I've yet to hear about a school shooting occurring in one of those schools.


I've yet to hear bout. Shooting in all but a mall handful of schools. Your point is?
Should a school choose to arm teachers that's fine by me, since they will do everything within their power to ensure safety of the teachers and more importantly the students.

My point is that, for anyone saying teachers having guns=students taking those guns for nefarious purposes is silly. Yes, I know school shootings are incredibly rare and the kneejerk reaction of the schools in Utah to arm themselves in the wake of Newtown is stupid, emotional and reactionary but if they want to do it, they are going to do it.

And anyone that thinks that if they do arm teachers, shootings in those schools will increase in chance because of the closer proximity to firearms, are being silly since some schools have already had armed teachers and we do not hear about them or shootings occurring there.

  • 12.30.2012 5:56 PM PDT

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This is a tragedy waiting to happen.

  • 12.30.2012 5:56 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

nvm

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  • 12.30.2012 5:59 PM PDT

Hi! How you doin'?

Sometimes, all you need are a couple giant explosions to get you through the day.

The only way we'll prevent school shootings is if either the entrances are guarded enough to prevent a shooter from getting in, or if someone inside the school is armed and capable of combating the shooter.

I'd assume that the mentally ill kids that perform these shootings plan well enough to get past a single armed guard, but I don't really trust teachers with weapons without proper psychological evaluations or guards.

Also, a shooter knocking out a teacher with a couple clips of pistol ammo probably isn't going to do as much damage as the shooter carrying hundreds of shotgun and pistol rounds.

  • 12.30.2012 6:00 PM PDT


Posted by: DELTA STRIKE
and then a teacher went crazy...

  • 12.30.2012 6:07 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story

ITT: y'all ninjas don't know bout dat IWB retention holster.

also it's Utah...the mormon state.

they f**ing love guns there because mormons were subject to actual gov't sanctioned hunts by the US Army. kids know how to shoot there.

so do adults.

  • 12.30.2012 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dont pass gass
Also Utah teachers with proper permits can legally carry a gun in their classrooms.
inb4 teacher shoots his own classroom.

Seriously, that's not a good move.

  • 12.30.2012 6:52 PM PDT

I feel this will either go very well or very badly.

  • 12.30.2012 6:53 PM PDT

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  • 12.30.2012 6:53 PM PDT
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It's amazing that the media gives guns such a bad rep. For every story about how guns are bad, ten stories about how they saved lives are covered up. And there's no bias in the media, eh?

  • 12.30.2012 6:55 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: DarkJet7

Posted by: HWJohn
3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Mostly Anti-gun).
That's not how you spell pro gun.


There's more supported evidence on the pro side and more refuted evidence on the anti side.
you're talking to the wrong people.

antis cannot into logic, cannot into facts, cannot into truth.
only into lies, emotional reactions, and media propaganda.

any time you present evidence or fact that they might be wrong, it's "hurr durr NRA drone, they're evil, stupid rednecks hurr durr!".

guess what? did you know gun control itself is racist? it was started by the democrats in the late 1800s to keep the freedmen from defending themselves against raids from the klansmen.

it was then included into most, if not all jim crow/ segregation laws.

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  • 12.30.2012 6:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: lime013
Let's see how this goes.

Some different scenarios:
1) school gets sued for arming teachers
2) mainstream media condemns it
3) teacher actually stops shooting
a) teacher is hero and has her job
b) teacher is patted on the back and let go
4) there wont be any school shootings


5) teacher turns and shoots up the entire school.

  • 12.30.2012 6:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: BuzzKill9009

Posted by: lime013
Let's see how this goes.

Some different scenarios:
1) school gets sued for arming teachers
2) mainstream media condemns it
3) teacher actually stops shooting
a) teacher is hero and has her job
b) teacher is patted on the back and let go
4) there wont be any school shootings


5) teacher turns and shoots up the entire school.


Such a person shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

  • 12.30.2012 7:01 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
What have we become as a society?

This hasn't been the way before now. We didn't let fear drive us to have armed people educating our youth.

This will end badly.
yeah, um, remember how that was said when we let the 1994 AWB expire from the sunset clause in 2004?how it was said the streets would run red with the blood of the innocent when states started CCW Licensing?

remember how that didn't happen like it was said?

yeah, facts, you should check 'em;
drop the wild emotions, stop listening to uninformed pathological liers.

  • 12.30.2012 7:03 PM PDT