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Posted by: Gaara444
So if the teacher isn't a cop he's obviously incompetent at using a gun?
I didn't say that. Nice try though.

I knew a bunch of teachers that were former Marines, and active combat specialists.But most teachers are not.

You think they automatically lose their experience just because they became teachers?You really love strawman arguments don't you?

Why should I have to risk MY child's safety just because YOUR child "doesn't feel comfortable around weapons"?!Your child has an infinitesimally small chance of even being in the same county as a school shooting. Your child's safety is not risked in the slightest.

Sounds to me like you don't have any plans of teaching him/her to grow up.
>implying the process of growing up involves being okay with guns.

  • 12.30.2012 3:12 PM PDT

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not all guns but i wouldnt be surprised if it severely limited gun access
LOL so that went from "Biden is trying to ban guns" to "Biden is trying to enact stricter gun regulations".

Nice try.


its probably going to be no rifles or something
So, once again, nobody is trying to ban guns outright.


Yet, once you and your communist buddy in the White House get some others law past discreetly there will be a loop hole for him to abolish any law he wants. You will try you sneaky bastards will try....
I'm not going to have a conversation with anyone who believes in conspiracy theories. Please stop talking to me.

  • 12.30.2012 3:12 PM PDT

Doesn't surprise me, hopefully this will keep them safer.

  • 12.30.2012 3:14 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I didn't say that. Nice try though.
It's called an implication.

But most teachers are not. So how did they purchase their gun? The black market? They have to be somewhat proficient with it in order to even buy it.

You really love strawman arguments don't you? Just as much as you don't like answering them (probably cause you can't).

Your child has an infinitesimally small chance of even being in the same county as a school shooting. Your child's safety is not risked in the slightest. Oh great mind reader Crazy Snipe, please tell me if I win the lottery tomorrow since you seem to know when and where the next shooting will take place. They can happen in any school or district, I'm not going to risk it over chance unlike you.

>Implying the process of growing up involves being okay with guns. >Implying it's normal to "fear" a teacher just cause they carry a weapon. It just goes back to the teacher carrying the gun in the first place. No one is gonna give it to them if they're not proficient enough to hold it.

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Posted by: DELTA STRIKE
and then a teacher went crazy...
This.


I don't see a problem with showing teachers how to shoot, but giving them guns is ridiculous.

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

I'm not going to have a conversation with anyone who believes in conspiracy theories. Please stop talking to me.


Hey, it's not my fault that you worship the ground that the anti-Christ walks on....AKA Obama

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While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Considering my experience with teachers, I don't know how safe I'd feel. I do think having armed officers in schools would be a good solution though. They're trained to assess and respond to threats under stress. While some teachers might be, most aren't.

  • 12.30.2012 3:23 PM PDT

Not worried about armed teachers.

  • 12.30.2012 3:23 PM PDT

Jack of all trades, master of none.

Putting weapons in an education establishment filled with young, corruptible minds?

WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!

  • 12.30.2012 3:25 PM PDT

THe whole world is laughing at you america.

  • 12.30.2012 3:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
It's called an implication.
Saying that someone isn't nearly as experience with a gun as a cop is in no way implies that that person is completely incompetent. Almost all Americans are severely under-trained in firearms when compared to the police.

So how did they purchase their gun? The black market? They have to be somewhat proficient with it in order to even buy it.You do NOT need to know how to handle a gun at ALL to get a gun. Not in the slightest.

Just as much as you don't like answering them (probably cause you can't).Why would I answer a question about whether or not marines and army veterans lose their experience once they become teachers? I've already stated that I'm not saying that teachers are completely incompetent, and a question like that is clearly rhetorical because if I say "yes" then I look like an idiot for blindly disagreeing with you and if I say "no" then it seems as if you've made me disprove my own point, even though it wasn't a point I made in the first place.

Oh great mind reader Crazy Snipe, please tell me if I win the lottery tomorrow since you seem to know when and where the next shooting will take place. They can happen in any school or district, I'm not going to risk it over chance unlike you.How many school shootings have their been in the past 10 years? Now take that number and divide it by the total number of high schools in the country. And take THAT number and divide it by 10 (years). You now have the approximate chance that any given school has of playing host to a school shooting.

>Implying it's normal to "fear" a teacher just cause they carry a weapon. It just goes back to the teacher carrying the gun in the first place. No one is gonna give it to them if they're not proficient enough to hold it. False. You do not need to know how to use a gun well to get a concealed carry permit. Even here in Pennsylvania the only county that makes you do an interview for it is Philadelphia. Everywhere else it's just a form, a fee, a background check, and boom: here's your permit. If you fail a background check to get concealed carry, you probably fail the background check to be a public school teacher.

  • 12.30.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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"Alright, so clearly we have a problem with people going crazy and doing crazy stuff, how do we stop this?"

"I know, make it extremely easy to have access to weapons that even a five year old can use to kill multiple people!"

"B-But wouldn't that make it easy for people to kill other people? wouldn't that just make the problem worse?"

"oh, hmm.....................wait, i know, let's throw even more guns at the problem and hope it works!"

/logic

  • 12.30.2012 3:33 PM PDT


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Saying that someone isn't nearly as experience with a gun as a cop is in no way implies that that person is completely incompetent. Almost all Americans are severely under-trained in firearms when compared to the police.
Just because cops are very well skilled doesn't mean your average citizen can't hold his own with a gun, especially against kids.

You do NOT need to know how to handle a gun at ALL to get a gun. Not in the slightest. Where do you live? Here in Kissimmee I have to take a gun safety course to get a license, and in that course they teach you the basics on handling a gun.

Why would I answer a question about whether or not marines and army veterans lose their experience once they become teachers? I've already stated that I'm not saying that teachers are completely incompetent, and a question like that is clearly rhetorical because if I say "yes" then I look like an idiot for blindly disagreeing with you and if I say "no" then it seems as if you've made me disprove my own point, even though it wasn't a point I made in the first place. The please elaborate, what point in this part were you trying to make other then throwing insults my way hoping I'll bite back in the same manner.

How many school shootings have their been in the past 10 years? Now take that number and divide it by the total number of high schools in the country. And take THAT number and divide it by 10 (years). You now have the approximate chance that any given school has of playing host to a school shooting. How many schools shootings were there in the 90's? 80's? 70's? Let's go back further. How about the 30's? The 20's?! They're an increase in them and you would have to blind to not see it. Today's numbers shouldn't be used ten years from now.

False. You do not need to know how to use a gun well to get a concealed carry permit. Even here in Pennsylvania the only county that makes you do an interview for it is Philadelphia. Everywhere else it's just a form, a fee, a background check, and boom: here's your permit. If you fail a background check to get concealed carry, you probably fail the background check to be a public school teacher. So you do live in the states, sorry but it isn't like that in Kissimmee. So what's the problem? If they can't defend their students (or defend themselves from the students) why should they still be hired? Being a teacher requires more then actually teaching. Why do you think schools urge kids to talk to them about family abuse? Teen pregnancy? Or other social issues that have nothing to do with teaching? Having a less versatile teacher isn't going to help anyone.

  • 12.30.2012 3:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
What have we become as a society?

This hasn't been the way before now. We didn't let fear drive us to have armed people educating our youth.

This will end badly.
fear drives everything and everyone.

What prompts you to succeed in life, your ambitions? No, you and i fear being left behind and forgotten, that is why we act.

most people are more reactionary than proactive in life and it shows up in all forms of society and culture. The fact of the matter is that fear rules us all.

  • 12.30.2012 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
Just because cops are very well skilled doesn't mean your average citizen can't hold his own with a gun, especially against kids.
You misunderstand. Cops ARE skilled. The average US citizens is not. The average gun owner is not, in comparison to cops.

Where do you live? Here in Kissimmee I have to take a gun safety course to get a license, and in that course they teach you the basics on handling a gun. Even though that's not the way it is most places, handling a gun is not the same as shoot/no-shoot training, accuracy training, etc.

The please elaborate, what point in this part were you trying to make other then throwing insults my way hoping I'll bite back in the same manner.I'm not trying to make insults. I'm saying that the average teacher is less skilled than the average police officer, severely so. Because of this, your point about asking me whether or not a military veteran loses their training once they become a teacher is null and voice because I didn't say teachers are completely incompetent, just less competent than the average cop. Those military veteran teachers are clearly going to still be skilled with firearms, but the average teacher they are not and so the point becomes null.

How many schools shootings were there in the 90's? 80's? 70's? Let's go back further. How about the 30's? The 20's?! They're an increase in them and you would have to blind to not see it. Today's numbers shouldn't be used ten years from now.Fine. Take the schools shootings in the last year. All of them. Now divide that number by the number of high schools in the country, and divide that by 180. That is the chance that, on any given school day, any given high school will play host to a school shooting. It is not a big number, I promise you that.

So you do live in the states, sorry but it isn't like that in Kissimmee. So what's the problem? If they can't defend their students (or defend themselves from the students) why should they still be hired? Being a teacher requires more then actually teaching. Why do you think schools urge kids to talk to them about family abuse? Teen pregnancy? Or other social issues that have nothing to do with teaching? Having a less versatile teacher isn't going to help anyone. Taking the life of another human being for a student is not nearly the same as talking with them about teen pregnancy, family abuse, etc. with them. One puts your life one the line and the other is a matter of whether or not you give a -blam!- about your students (which you obviously should). You probably have a lot of friends that you would have a lot of conversations with about a lot of things but would you be willing to shoot somebody and at the same time risk being shot for all of those friends? Even if your answer is yes I guarantee the average persons's is "no".

  • 12.30.2012 3:54 PM PDT
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Can we stop having gun control threads on the flood? 3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Mostly Anti-gun).

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3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Mostly Anti-gun).
That's not how you spell pro gun.

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Posted by: Gaara444
So that makes it less likely that school shooting can occur how?

Posted by: grey101
Israel is a warzone that is completely different.


Huh? Why in the world should we be supporting teachers having guns? Is this for high schools only or schools in general? Will all schools be having this or only the "bad schools".

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Posted by: HWJohn
Can we stop having gun control threads on the flood? 3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Pretty much every post).


Fixed.

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Posted by: HWJohn
3/4 of the people don't even know what they are talking about (Read: Mostly Anti-gun).
That's not how you spell pro gun.

  • 12.30.2012 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
So that makes it less likely that school shooting can occur how?

Posted by: grey101
Israel is a warzone that is completely different.


Huh? Why in the world should we be supporting teachers having guns? .


Why shouldn't we?

I don't think the Biology teacher is going to pop a cap in lil' Johnny's ass.

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
What have we become as a society?

This hasn't been the way before now. We didn't let fear drive us to have armed people educating our youth.

This will end badly.


This.

  • 12.30.2012 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
What have we become as a society?

This hasn't been the way before now. We didn't let fear drive us to have armed people educating our youth.

This will end badly.


This.


You need to adapt and change to new challenges to our society, you can't just hide in a dark place and say "This has never had to be done before, so it can't be done now!".

Times change, you can't just put a hold on society and say STOP!... well, you can... but then you turn into North Korea and your country will collapse.

  • 12.30.2012 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
Maybe seeing it from a different perspective will help. Israel has Teachers armed with guns in their school.

Number of deaths from school shooting in Israel in the last 10 years: 8
Number of deaths from school shootings in the U.S. in the last 10 years: 263*

*Not accurate, but it certainly isn't as low as Israel obviously.

Posted by: Dont pass gass
Who thought having teachers with weapons is a good idea?
The crucial difference is that Israel is a war zone

  • 12.30.2012 5:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
Maybe seeing it from a different perspective will help. Israel has Teachers armed with guns in their school.

Number of deaths from school shooting in Israel in the last 10 years: 8
Number of deaths from school shootings in the U.S. in the last 10 years: 263*

*Not accurate, but it certainly isn't as low as Israel obviously.

Posted by: Dont pass gass
Who thought having teachers with weapons is a good idea?
The crucial difference is that Israel is a war zone


Hardly. Threatened? Yes, but war-zone? not in the slightest.

  • 12.30.2012 5:20 PM PDT