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Just finished watching School days it starts getting really melancholic in the last six episodes and it just gets worse and worse I spent the whole time thinking poor Sekai and why Makoto had to be such a dumbass and just make the right choices I like to imagine in my head that Makoto wasn't a dumbass and he lived with Sekai happily ever after.

  • 12.31.2012 2:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: echo630
And come on, "you are who you are"? That is a little platitudinous, don't you think? What is that even supposed to mean? Who you are is determined by many things, all of which we may sum up as context. Gaming can be part of your context; it can help determine who you are at a given moment.

However, as I said, and as I believe deeply, you are not inherently anything or anyone. You always change.

Gaming doesn't make you anti-social.


I wasn't saying that, but it definitely enables it easily. You've got all the ingredients: you can play with it; you don't have to play with others; it doesn't berate you; it doesn't tell you to stop wasting its time; it offers you new (though virtual) experiences consistently so long as developers keep doing their thing; and it gives you moot targets to shoot for, like awards and levels and medals and points.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: xl OC Girl lx

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
And come on, "you are who you are"? That is a little platitudinous, don't you think? What is that even supposed to mean? Who you are is determined by many things, all of which we may sum up as context. Gaming can be part of your context; it can help determine who you are at a given moment.

However, as I said, and as I believe deeply, you are not inherently anything or anyone. You always change.

Gaming doesn't make you anti-social.

I don't think I've disagreed more with a statement in quite some time.

And that's why you're wrong.

Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

I don't think he really believes what he's saying. I think he's in the same boat I was a long time ago and is just in denial.

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Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

  • 12.31.2012 2:22 AM PDT


Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

When you post here, do you consider this "hanging out with your friends"?

Not calling myself your friend btw, but any of your "friends" that you "talk" to.

[Edited on 12.31.2012 2:26 AM PST]

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Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.


Ah. I think I get it. You really like to game. You really think it's good for you. So when we come in here and start talking about some of the dangerous tendencies and behavior patterns that video gamers display, you take it to heart and have to project your insecurities onto us. You keep thinking that we are making this arguments, such as "video-gamers are anti-social", when we are not, because it makes it easier to argue with yourself. After all, we've said many times that we're not making universal cases here, but simply arguing for the existence of cases and average patterns; yet you continue to accuse us of arguing the universal. I do believe you are slightly insecure.

But I won't say that definitively.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

I was going to refute your statement with a dictionary definition, but this is all I found. So, in the strictest sense of the word, you are right. Playing video games online is not anti-social. However, there is, irrefutably, so much more to interacting with people than simply talking. Even if you are talking about important and personal things.

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Posted by: xl OC Girl lx
I don't think he really believes what he's saying. I think he's in the same boat I was a long time ago and is just in denial.

No, I believe what I'm saying.

I play quite a bit, I have a social life, and I work. Think what you want about me, I don't care. I'm saying what I'm saying to try and help you to understand that you were being anti social, not that gaming made you become that.

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Posted by: Halifaxie

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

I was going to refute your statement with a dictionary definition, but this is all I found. So, in the strictest sense of the word, you are right. Playing video games online is not anti-social. However, there is, irrefutably, so much more to interacting with people than simply talking. Even if you are talking about important and personal things.

I agree, but it doesn't make an online friend any less of a friend.

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Posted by: echo630

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.


Ah. I think I get it. You really like to game. You really think it's good for you. So when we come in here and start talking about some of the dangerous tendencies and behavior patterns that video gamers display, you take it to heart and have to project your insecurities onto us. You keep thinking that we are making this arguments, such as "video-gamers are anti-social", when we are not, because it makes it easier to argue with yourself. After all, we've said many times that we're not making universal cases here, but simply arguing for the existence of cases and average patterns; yet you continue to accuse us of arguing the universal. I do believe you are slightly insecure.

But I won't say that definitively.

I love to game, but it doesn't take up a large protion of my day. In fact, there are some weeks where I barely play at all.

No, I'm not insecure about myself. I'm taking to heart the fact that you guys are blaming gaming instead of your own addictive and anti social personalities.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.


Ah. I think I get it. You really like to game. You really think it's good for you. So when we come in here and start talking about some of the dangerous tendencies and behavior patterns that video gamers display, you take it to heart and have to project your insecurities onto us. You keep thinking that we are making this arguments, such as "video-gamers are anti-social", when we are not, because it makes it easier to argue with yourself. After all, we've said many times that we're not making universal cases here, but simply arguing for the existence of cases and average patterns; yet you continue to accuse us of arguing the universal. I do believe you are slightly insecure.

But I won't say that definitively.

I love to game, but it doesn't take up a large protion of my day. In fact, there are some weeks where I barely play at all.

No, I'm not insecure about myself. I'm taking to heart the fact that you guys are blaming gaming instead of your own addictive and anti social personalities.


Yo, that's just the thing, dawg, I really think we established a couple pages back that gaming isn't an autonomous force to forces us to sit down and play. However, this whole problem can't even exist without gaming; so it's necessary to consider both the gamer and the game. Video games just happen to have the wonder ingredients for causing attachment and subsequent anti-social behavior patterns.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

I was going to refute your statement with a dictionary definition, but this is all I found. So, in the strictest sense of the word, you are right. Playing video games online is not anti-social. However, there is, irrefutably, so much more to interacting with people than simply talking. Even if you are talking about important and personal things.

I agree, but it doesn't make an online friend any less of a friend.

But it does make them less able to satisfy your emotional/physical needs. I think, and I could very easily be wrong, that what Echo and OC are getting at is the root of happiness. You take pleasure in the company of friends, but happiness comes from more than a voice in your headphones.

So, if we were to return to the OP and consider his statement about the empty feeling after reading manga, or playing video games, I think it directly relates to the intangibility of the characters therein. Even if one of the characters is a loving, concerned friend somewhere else in the world, they are still gone the minute you turn off the television set, which makes them less real and less effective in the realms of comfort and uplifting friendship. It doesn't make them any less of a friend, but it can make them less effectual in providing support.

Granted, I'm speaking from personal opinion, one biased by the fact that I love personal interactions with people in a face-to-face environment.

I won't say that nobody can have the same relationship online that others do in real life, but I think those relationships are a lot harder to come by and keep working than personal relationships that result from proximity to each other, and not just shared interests.

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Posted by: Halifaxie

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: Halifaxie
Nary have I seen such an astounding and well-prosed rebuttal such as this. Truly, I am amazed.

Why should I waste my time arguing my point further, when he/she doesn't understand it?

If you think gaming makes you anti social, you're wrong, plain and simple. Communicating during a multiplayer match isn't anti social, even if the person plays 10 hours a day and doesn't get out of the house much.

I was going to refute your statement with a dictionary definition, but this is all I found. So, in the strictest sense of the word, you are right. Playing video games online is not anti-social. However, there is, irrefutably, so much more to interacting with people than simply talking. Even if you are talking about important and personal things.

I agree, but it doesn't make an online friend any less of a friend.

But it does make them less able to satisfy your emotional/physical needs. I think, and I could very easily be wrong, that what Echo and OC are getting at is the root of happiness. You take pleasure in the company of friends, but happiness comes from more than a voice in your headphones.

So, if we were to return to the OP and consider his statement about the empty feeling after reading manga, or playing video games, I think it directly relates to the intangibility of the characters therein. Even if one of the characters is a loving, concerned friend somewhere else in the world, they are still gone the minute you turn off the television set, which makes them less real and less effective in the realms of comfort and uplifting friendship. It doesn't make them any less of a friend, but it can make them less effectual in providing support.

Granted, I'm speaking from personal opinion, one biased by the fact that I love personal interactions with people in a face-to-face environment.

I won't say that nobody can have the same relationship online that others do in real life, but I think those relationships are a lot harder to come by and keep working than personal relationships that result from proximity to each other, and not just shared interests.


Upvote.

For instance, I consider Halifax to be a pretty decent friend, though I have only ever seen his hand. With that said, he fails to raise my oxytocin levels and generally doesn't satisfy my basic needs. I can trust him as far as I can throw him. And I can't reach him to throw him. So I can't really trust him.

I mean, for all I know, that could be some girl's hand. I mean, sick, right? I can't trust him, no sir.

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Posted by: echo630
Yo, that's just the thing, dawg, I really think we established a couple pages back that gaming isn't an autonomous force to forces us to sit down and play. However, this whole problem can't even exist without gaming; so it's necessary to consider both the gamer and the game. Video games just happen to have the wonder ingredients for causing attachment and subsequent anti-social behavior patterns.

Show me a study proving what you say. Otherwise it's bull-blam!-, because a lot of people game, and very few are anti social.

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Echo, I've been trying to satisfy your basic needs for the longest time. A gal can only handle so much rejection.

  • 12.31.2012 2:50 AM PDT

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What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.

I know that feeling. After watching Clannad After Story, that feeling soared into me. It will go away don't worry op.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
Yo, that's just the thing, dawg, I really think we established a couple pages back that gaming isn't an autonomous force to forces us to sit down and play. However, this whole problem can't even exist without gaming; so it's necessary to consider both the gamer and the game. Video games just happen to have the wonder ingredients for causing attachment and subsequent anti-social behavior patterns.

Show me a study proving what you say. Otherwise it's bull-blam!-, because a lot of people game, and very few are anti social.


First off, I have mostly been speaking from a Buddhist/philosophical perspective, and now you're asking for a scientific perspective.

Second off,

Here.

Oh, Faxie: Nah nah nah, you can't touch this! Eternal blue-balls for you!...and me too :(

[Edited on 12.31.2012 3:04 AM PST]

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Posted by: echo630

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
Yo, that's just the thing, dawg, I really think we established a couple pages back that gaming isn't an autonomous force to forces us to sit down and play. However, this whole problem can't even exist without gaming; so it's necessary to consider both the gamer and the game. Video games just happen to have the wonder ingredients for causing attachment and subsequent anti-social behavior patterns.

Show me a study proving what you say. Otherwise it's bull-blam!-, because a lot of people game, and very few are anti social.


First off, I have mostly been speaking from a Buddhist/philosophical perspective, and now you're asking for a scientific perspective.

Second off,

Here.

I just lost all respect for you. "Buddhist perspective" lol.

I ask for a study, and you give me the "results" of a clearly biased study. What was the experiment? All that's on the page is "lol vidyagaems r bad".

Plus, it's more about internet use than anything else. What the hell?

[Edited on 12.31.2012 3:07 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2012 3:05 AM PDT

I think the problem here is that both sides are looking at the other as if they were speaking in absolutes. I think there's truth to both sides. Like I've been saying, I am not speaking for every gamer on the planet. Sure, many people can find a balance in their lives, but I believe the majority cannot. If this challenger guy has lots of friends online and is happy, then good for him. I was not happy and did something about it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is #yolo so get it right the first time. Kthxbai

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630

Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
Yo, that's just the thing, dawg, I really think we established a couple pages back that gaming isn't an autonomous force to forces us to sit down and play. However, this whole problem can't even exist without gaming; so it's necessary to consider both the gamer and the game. Video games just happen to have the wonder ingredients for causing attachment and subsequent anti-social behavior patterns.

Show me a study proving what you say. Otherwise it's bull-blam!-, because a lot of people game, and very few are anti social.


First off, I have mostly been speaking from a Buddhist/philosophical perspective, and now you're asking for a scientific perspective.

Second off,

Here.

I just lost all respect for you. "Buddhist perspective" lol.

I ask for a study, and you give me the "results" of a clearly biased study. What was the experiment? All that's on the page is "lol vidyagaems r bad".

Plus, it's more about internet use than anything else. What the hell?


Really? You lost respect for me because I said I was speaking from a Buddhist perspective? And what exactly is so wrong about that? I've been speaking from that perspective since the beginning of the thread--and yet you only lose respect for me when I nominalize it? That's mature.

You asked for a study, and I gave you one of the first ones that I found. Of course it's slightly biased because of the test parameters, but for every study I find biased in one direction, I will find one biased in the other. Psychology is not the most unbiased science out there--that's why I haven't been speaking much from a western scientific perspective. It wasn't my prerogative at the beginning of the thread, and it's not my prerogative now.

With that said, psychological studies take time to read and consider critically, and I'm not about to indulge in that for you when I've given plenty of sound arguments--they are common sense, even logical, arguments, you might say. It is now 6:53 am and I've been up all night arguing about this. I am tired. But if you want scientific evidence, it is available, but it is not going to be "hard" evidence.

I urge you to reconsider your Buddhist comment, because that's just ignorant of you.

  • 12.31.2012 3:55 AM PDT

Yes, I have. And I hate to say it, but I love that emotion. I can't explain it, but I love the fact that I can feel so strongly about some things.

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Posted by: echo630
I urge you to reconsider your Buddhist comment, because that's just ignorant of you.

That link doesn't state what type of experiment was conducted. Therefore, it's invalid.

I already thought what you were saying was totally moronic, but when you say you're a Buddhist, that's where I draw the line and completely ignore you.



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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
I urge you to reconsider your Buddhist comment, because that's just ignorant of you.

That link doesn't state what type of experiment was conducted. Therefore, it's invalid.

I already thought what you were saying was totally moronic, but when you say you're a Buddhist, that's where I draw the line and completely ignore you.


...are you serious?

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Posted by: SHOTTY SNIP3R
Just finished watching School days it starts getting really melancholic in the last six episodes and it just gets worse and worse I spent the whole time thinking poor Sekai and why Makoto had to be such a dumbass and just make the right choices I like to imagine in my head that Makoto wasn't a dumbass and he lived with Sekai happily ever after.


Go play the game.

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Posted by: challengerX

Posted by: echo630
I urge you to reconsider your Buddhist comment, because that's just ignorant of you.

That link doesn't state what type of experiment was conducted. Therefore, it's invalid.

I already thought what you were saying was totally moronic, but when you say you're a Buddhist, that's where I draw the line and completely ignore you.



Why? I said nothing that wasn't cogent and valid, I made no sweeping universal statements, I didn't posit anything new to either of our's ontology. And you found it moronic? I don't even think you know what my argument is.

What the hell do you have against Buddhism? $20 says you don't even know what Buddhism is, either.

  • 12.31.2012 4:23 AM PDT