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Subject: Why is DC's movieverse so pathetic compared to Marvel's?

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Posted by: Aang the Avatar
Out of everything you just listed only the Incredible Hulk is a part of the Marvel Movie Verse. Everything else are movies made by random companies who bought the rights to the characters, they're irrelevant.
If you want to make the Marvel movieverse just the recent Marvel movies that tie into Avengers that's fine, but then it's pointless to compare to DC because they haven't bothered with one. Of the Avengers tie-ins you've got Iron Man and Avengers as its good movies. Iron Man 2 and Captain America, were alright. Incredible Hulk and Thor were just bad.

On the DC side, you've got no DC movieverse. Just DC movies.

  • 12.31.2012 10:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Marvel's movie plan in the last decade or so has been to throw movies at audiences and let the few good ones stand up and the bad ones just fall to the way side. DC has gone with less quantity and arguably more quality. The good DC movies are better than the good Marvel movies, but Marvel has more good movies than DC.

And what were these bad Marvel movies?

Starting from the comic book movie boom in 2000 there's: Daredevil, Hulk, Punisher, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Fantastic Four, X-Men 3, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four 2, The Incredible Hulk. I'm tempted to put Thor on there too because it's bad, but that'll start its own argument. Most others classify as just okay, then a couple good ones, and one great one with Avengers.


Only TIH is in the movie verse.

Everything else is 20th Century Fox's failure. Except for Spiderman 3 which, honestly wasn't THAT bad, disappointing, very disappointing.

  • 12.31.2012 10:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Air of the Rose
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Marvel's movie plan in the last decade or so has been to throw movies at audiences and let the few good ones stand up and the bad ones just fall to the way side. DC has gone with less quantity and arguably more quality. The good DC movies are better than the good Marvel movies, but Marvel has more good movies than DC.

And what were these bad Marvel movies?

Starting from the comic book movie boom in 2000 there's: Daredevil, Hulk, Punisher, Blade: Trinity, Elektra, Fantastic Four, X-Men 3, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, Fantastic Four 2, The Incredible Hulk. I'm tempted to put Thor on there too because it's bad, but that'll start its own argument. Most others classify as just okay, then a couple good ones, and one great one with Avengers.


I thought you guys weren't going on opinion.

  • 12.31.2012 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Zero Nine
I thought you guys weren't going on opinion.
Those movies were bad regardless of my opinion on them. I liked Blade 3, X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 well enough, they were still bad movies.

  • 12.31.2012 10:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Aang the Avatar
Out of everything you just listed only the Incredible Hulk is a part of the Marvel Movie Verse. Everything else are movies made by random companies who bought the rights to the characters, they're irrelevant.
If you want to make the Marvel movieverse just the recent Marvel movies that tie into Avengers that's fine, but then it's pointless to compare to DC because they haven't bothered with one. Of the Avengers tie-ins you've got Iron Man and Avengers as its good movies. Iron Man 2 and Captain America, were alright. Incredible Hulk and Thor were just bad.

On the DC side, you've got no DC movieverse. Just DC movies.


I think we're talking about movies actually made by Marvel. That would be the Avengers characters only.

For DC, we're talking so far only about Green Lantern. I think the OP's point was how it's pathetic that DC only has one awful movie while Marvel is dishing out movies of obscure characters even before the iconic DC ones.

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  • 12.31.2012 10:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Aang the Avatar
I think we're talking about movies actually made by Marvel. That would be the Avengers characters only.

For DC, we're talking so far only about Green Lantern. I think the OP's point was how it's pathetic that DC only has one awful movie while Marvel is dishing out movies of obscure characters even before the iconic DC ones.
Does that make Dark Horse comics maximum pathetic for not putting out any movies at all then?

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Aang the Avatar
I think we're talking about movies actually made by Marvel. That would be the Avengers characters only.

For DC, we're talking so far only about Green Lantern. I think the OP's point was how it's pathetic that DC only has one awful movie while Marvel is dishing out movies of obscure characters even before the iconic DC ones.
Does that make Dark Horse comics maximum pathetic for not putting out any movies at all then?


Hey I'm just interpreting the OP, I don't think DC is pathetic.

  • 12.31.2012 10:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Aang the Avatar
Hey I'm just interpreting the OP, I don't think DC is pathetic.
So am I, and pose that question towards the OP's sentiments if you interpretation is correct.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Aang the Avatar
I think we're talking about movies actually made by Marvel. That would be the Avengers characters only.

For DC, we're talking so far only about Green Lantern. I think the OP's point was how it's pathetic that DC only has one awful movie while Marvel is dishing out movies of obscure characters even before the iconic DC ones.
Does that make Dark Horse comics maximum pathetic for not putting out any movies at all then?


Aang's interpretation is right.

And no, Dark Horse isn't relevant at all, because they don't want to make movies.

DC wants to make movies, however the process on how is beyond ridiculous.

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Considering I'm somewhat biased being a MARVEL fan, I do give my best regards to DC for trying to do something on their own. But this is also a problem as well.

Not only is DC doing it, but now 20th Century FOX is trying to make up their own MCU, so there would be two MCUs: One owned by MARVEL and Disney, and the other being owned by Fox which would confuse audiences even more.

I have to say that Warner Brothers is one of my favorite movie studios and I'm glad they produce DC movies, but I think they need to wait a while and let Marvel take the reigns for now. Cause pretty soon, there's gonna be WAY too many super hero movies and confuse the already knowledge lacking audiences.

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General lack of believeability and interest in the DC characters.

Let's face, other than Batman, none of them have particularly relatable motives and are just heroes for the sake of being heroes. Add in that they're generally overpowered to -blam!-, and no one really finds them interesting.

We want the heroes that are weak, so they're even stronger when they succeed.

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Posted by: Darkslayer18264
General lack of believeability and interest in the DC characters.

Let's face, other than Batman, none of them have particularly relatable motives and are just heroes for the sake of being heroes. Add in that they're generally overpowered to -blam!-, and no one really finds them interesting.

We want the heroes that are weak, so they're even stronger when they succeed.


That's not really an excuse, Marvel was able to make a successful movie about a God (Thor).

It's very possible to make a good Flash or Green Lantern movie, it's just that DC can't find directors with passion for these characters or with a vision, like Marvel has with Kevin Fiege and all of their directors.

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Posted by: Darkslayer18264
We want the heroes that are weak, so they're even stronger when they succeed.

And this is why Spider-Man is my favorite hero.

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Posted by: Forever MS
DC is also rushing to make a Justice League movie for 2015,


Three years doesn't sound like a very good rush.

  • 12.31.2012 10:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Forever MS
Aang's interpretation is right.

And no, Dark Horse isn't relevant at all, because they don't want to make movies.

DC wants to make movies, however the process on how is beyond ridiculous.
Dark Horse did want to make movies, and they had three of the best comic book movies there are with their Hellboy run and Sin City.

What about DC's process is ridiculous? They want to make a movie, so they make that movie. It's done extremely well for them so far considering they have all but two of the greatest comic book movies ever made.

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Posted by: Forever MS
DC is also rushing to make a Justice League movie for 2015,


Three years doesn't sound like a very good rush.


Yes it is a rush. Rather than build characters up like Marvel, they're jumping straight for the "Many characters team up" film because they know it will yield tons of cash.

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Posted by: Forever MS

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Posted by: Forever MS
DC is also rushing to make a Justice League movie for 2015,


Three years doesn't sound like a very good rush.


Yes it is a rush. Rather than build characters up like Marvel, they're jumping straight for the "Many characters team up" film because they know it will yield tons of cash.


Three years is not rushing.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Forever MS
Aang's interpretation is right.

And no, Dark Horse isn't relevant at all, because they don't want to make movies.

DC wants to make movies, however the process on how is beyond ridiculous.
Dark Horse did want to make movies, and they had three of the best comic book movies there are with their Hellboy run and Sin City.

What about DC's process is ridiculous? They want to make a movie, so they make that movie. It's done extremely well for them so far considering they have all but two of the greatest comic book movies ever made.


Okay, so then Dark Horse succeeded for making quality movies. They aren't relevant to this discussion though.

DC's process is ridiciulous because they're making movies soley because they know it will get lots of money. Yes, that's true for all movies, but for Marvel they have a producer with a clear vision for every movie, and they then get directors with passion for the characters. They built up the Avengers and then delivered a home run.

With DC, they made one failed movie in hopes to build up a universe, (Green Lantern), and now they're jumping straight for the team of characters angle to capitalize on Avenger's success.

And stop bringing up Batman, it's not made by DC. It was made entirely by Nolan.

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Posted by: Forever MS

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Posted by: Forever MS
DC is also rushing to make a Justice League movie for 2015,


Three years doesn't sound like a very good rush.


Yes it is a rush. Rather than build characters up like Marvel, they're jumping straight for the "Many characters team up" film because they know it will yield tons of cash.


Three years is not rushing.


They are rushing by making a Justice League first rather than build it up with individual character movies.

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Posted by: Forever MS

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Posted by: Forever MS
DC is also rushing to make a Justice League movie for 2015,


Three years doesn't sound like a very good rush.


Yes it is a rush. Rather than build characters up like Marvel, they're jumping straight for the "Many characters team up" film because they know it will yield tons of cash.


Three years is not rushing.


They are rushing by making a Justice League first rather than build it up with individual character movies.


I see no problem with that, they obviously think they can pull it off, maybe they don't want it to be the same as The Avengers.

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4.) "Behind You Rise" - Distortion Music
5.) "Aurora" - Mark Petrie
6.) "Surge Down - Audio Machine

I think DC is best at cartoons, I loved the Justice League as a kid.

MARVEL is best at films, the MCU is pretty well thought out and I liked IM2, Cap, Thor, and Hulk. I haven't seen much of The Avengers animated series, but it seems pretty good. Ultimate Spider-Man on the other hand .... -____-

  • 12.31.2012 10:55 AM PDT

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
In actuality its because Marvel's characters translate better to the screen. Of DC's lineup, only Batman isn't so hokey that he ends up being a joke. Marvel's characters, in contrast, are pretty complex. They have their own internal strengths and weaknesses. Tony Stark was an Alcoholic, Hulk can't control himself, Captain America believes in the America of the 40's, and frequently is at odds with the America of the 2000's.

I could keep going on and on. Look at DC's line-up. Superman. Invincible alien do-gooder. That's it. Green Lantern, space-cop with a green ring that can do anything. Flash, the fastest man on Earth, arrogant....

Only Batman is as complex a character as a Marvel hero.

This. Everyone in this thread has to agree most DC characters are overpowered as hell, which makes difficult for the audience to care about their "struggles".

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Recon Zero Nine
I thought you guys weren't going on opinion.
Those movies were bad regardless of my opinion on them. I liked Blade 3, X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 well enough, they were still bad movies.


Ok but that's your opinion I loved XMEN 3 but that's my opinion just pointing that out but whatever I have to go.

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Posted by: CharlesBrown33
Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
In actuality its because Marvel's characters translate better to the screen. Of DC's lineup, only Batman isn't so hokey that he ends up being a joke. Marvel's characters, in contrast, are pretty complex. They have their own internal strengths and weaknesses. Tony Stark was an Alcoholic, Hulk can't control himself, Captain America believes in the America of the 40's, and frequently is at odds with the America of the 2000's.

I could keep going on and on. Look at DC's line-up. Superman. Invincible alien do-gooder. That's it. Green Lantern, space-cop with a green ring that can do anything. Flash, the fastest man on Earth, arrogant....

Only Batman is as complex a character as a Marvel hero.

This. Everyone in this thread has to agree most DC characters are overpowered as hell, which makes difficult for the audience to care about their "struggles".


Every comic book hero is massively OP. That doesn't mean they can't be done right in movies.

  • 12.31.2012 11:17 AM PDT

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