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Posted by: hunter117
[quote]Posted by: Guscon


The Halo's were activated 100,000ish years ago. The Sun wasn't even formed a billion years ago.


... For all we know there aren't any animals at all(we haven't seen any dogs,cats,etc...at least that I've seen)oh yeah and again they don't have to to have the evolution and earth being made and humans and dinosaurs ITS A GAME


first off evolution is impossible,Creation is the only theory that makes sense and second (dont ask me how i know this) in halo 1 on the first level (the pillar of autumn i believe) there is a bulletin board with a bunch of stuff on it including a paper from a marine who said he had lost his cat somewhere on board lol so that shows that there IS animals and also there is food menus in various places in the cafeteria on that level that show hamburger meal,cheeseburger meal etc.....where would the meat for the burgers come from lol covenant.....forget i said that lmao.Just some random things.and you're right it is just a game lol

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The meat could come from protien synthesis, and the cat bit is probably Bungie paying hommage to Alien. However just because none of the books or the games have talked about animals doesn't mean they don't exist.

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A. did u read the quote?
B.it was a random quote,would you rather me pull out my flame-thrower?

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I believe the Forerunners and the humans are in fact, related. Not necessarily the same race, but are related. There's just is too much evidence from the games to disagree.

Just look at the way the Monitor treats Chief and you've got an answer. The Monitor recognizes Chief as similar enough to the Forerunners to accept him as a "Reclaimer".
I believe that when Guilty Spark calls Chief "Reclaimer" he is recognizing the return of someone close enough to a Forerunner. He is saying that Chief is suitable enough to "reclaim" the task of making another purification blast of the flood's food as the original Forerunners did.
After all, why does he only lead Chief to the doing of the task and not the Covenant? Because his original masters, the Forerunners, were a close enough match to Chief (or any other human, such as Lieutenant Keyes or Sgt. Johnson).
343 treats the Covenant as just a lifeform that has come across his path, but with humans he treats them with respect and recognition. And why else? Because their look is in the Monitor's programming.

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hunter you at LEAST agree that humans have SOME kind of tie to the forerunner , right?


I agree that we it may be possible for use to have some kind of tie with them; I don’t think we do, but I think it may be possible, i just dose not make mush sence. I do not think it is possible that we are forerunners.

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Posted by: hunter117
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hunter you at LEAST agree that humans have SOME kind of tie to the forerunner , right?


I agree that we it may be possible for use to have some kind of tie with them; I don’t think we do, but I think it may be possible, i just dose not make mush sence. I do not think it is possible that we are forerunners.


but WHY?

with all the evidence around you it pretty much points to forerunner= humans

i feel that the only reasons youre throwing out are random conjecture without anything to back it up, and i know youre a good arguer, but this isnt much of an arguement cuz everytime i argue in a thread like this, NO ONE has yet to disprove me. why? cuz theres no evidence that the humans arent forerunner. but the evidence that they are forerunner is so abundant, and if its in the game, we can safely assume its true based on FACTS and not just thought

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No hope huh....well im feel sorry for you then...

  • 07.07.2006 7:17 PM PDT
Subject: 15 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS. (now with some better re...

I have walked among man and angels for three thousand years...
time has no begining, no end, no purpose...
i wander the earth, seeking forgivness for my own crimes against God and man...
i wish to seek death, destruction over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
i live in a prison of my own demise...i am lost in time...

The Excovenant

what if the forrunners are............ killer Gorillas!!!!

  • 07.07.2006 7:18 PM PDT
Subject: 10 RESONES WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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"You must face the truth squarely and without flinching from duty. Our enemies are mortal no longer. Mercy for such as they is a chimera, self-deception is its only ally. Dedicate this weapon, given unto your hand at the behest of the Emperor, to their destruction. Regard its function as your only duty: you live only to bring cleansing fire."

"forerunner" isnt the name of their race smart one. sorry if this has been posted before...

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Posted by: stubby_ninja
I believe the Forerunners and the humans are in fact, related. Not necessarily the same race, but are related. There's just is too much evidence from the games to disagree.

Just look at the way the Monitor treats Chief and you've got an answer. The Monitor recognizes Chief as similar enough to the Forerunners to accept him as a "Reclaimer".
I believe that when Guilty Spark calls Chief "Reclaimer" he is recognizing the return of someone close enough to a Forerunner. He is saying that Chief is suitable enough to "reclaim" the task of making another purification blast of the flood's food as the original Forerunners did.
After all, why does he only lead Chief to the doing of the task and not the Covenant? Because his original masters, the Forerunners, were a close enough match to Chief (or any other human, such as Lieutenant Keyes or Sgt. Johnson).
343 treats the Covenant as just a lifeform that has come across his path, but with humans he treats them with respect and recognition. And why else? Because their look is in the Monitor's programming.


well dude, there's not enough evidence in the game to agree either...Maybe he means something else or someone else when 343 says reclaimer...nice theory though...

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WE WILL FIGHT AND WE WILL WIN!
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Posted by: hunter117
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hunter you at LEAST agree that humans have SOME kind of tie to the forerunner , right?


I agree that we it may be possible for use to have some kind of tie with them; I don’t think we do, but I think it may be possible, i just dose not make mush sence. I do not think it is possible that we are forerunners.


but WHY?

with all the evidence around you it pretty much points to forerunner= humans

i feel that the only reasons youre throwing out are random conjecture without anything to back it up, and i know youre a good arguer, but this isnt much of an arguement cuz everytime i argue in a thread like this, NO ONE has yet to disprove me. why? cuz theres no evidence that the humans arent forerunner. but the evidence that they are forerunner is so abundant, and if its in the game, we can safely assume its true based on FACTS and not just thought


why would the monitor say his creators and all life were wiped out if he thought we were forerunners?

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11. Because the Forerunner had 6 fingers. Don't believe me? Play Halo 2.


wha?

  • 07.07.2006 7:20 PM PDT

I have walked among man and angels for three thousand years...
time has no begining, no end, no purpose...
i wander the earth, seeking forgivness for my own crimes against God and man...
i wish to seek death, destruction over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
i live in a prison of my own demise...i am lost in time...

The Excovenant

I'm with ice man here and stubby ninja, look at all the evidence, why are the humans soo important to the flood and 343 GP, i mean, have you ever seen a covie as a flood, hmm...
no of course not cuz the flood are only interested in the humans, and the flood musthave beed created by the forruners cuz the flood attack humans which they might confuse with the forruners

  • 07.07.2006 7:25 PM PDT
Subject: 10 RESONES WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.

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Reasons why the humans are descendants/related to the Forerunners.

* The Ark is on Earth
* The Halos resemble Earth, atmosphere and geography
* Only Humans can activate the halos
* The Spartans, for some reason, find Forerunner marks/runes to be familiar
* 343 GS told MC he "Should already know how the halos worked"
* 343 GS, when hacking into PoA's engineering room, said "Oh how wonderful, a record of all our lost time. Human history, is it?"

  • 07.07.2006 7:32 PM PDT

I have walked among man and angels for three thousand years...
time has no begining, no end, no purpose...
i wander the earth, seeking forgivness for my own crimes against God and man...
i wish to seek death, destruction over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
i live in a prison of my own demise...i am lost in time...

The Excovenant

Posted by: major_gamer
Reasons why the humans are descendants/related to the Forerunners.

* The Ark is on Earth
* The Halos resemble Earth, atmosphere and geography
* Only Humans can activate the halos
* The Spartans, for some reason, find Forerunner marks/runes to be familiar
* 343 GS told MC he "Should already know how the halos worked"
* 343 GS, when hacking into PoA's engineering room, said "Oh how wonderful, a record of all our lost time. Human history, is it?"


just one problem with that, the covenant CAN active the halos too, but i agree with you

  • 07.07.2006 7:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: major_gamer
Reasons why the humans are descendants/related to the Forerunners.

* The Ark is on Earth
* The Halos resemble Earth, atmosphere and geography
* Only Humans can activate the halos
* The Spartans, for some reason, find Forerunner marks/runes to be familiar
* 343 GS told MC he "Should already know how the halos worked"
* 343 GS, when hacking into PoA's engineering room, said "Oh how wonderful, a record of all our lost time. Human history, is it?"


just one problem with that, the covenant CAN active the halos too, but i agree with you


No they can't. Why did Tartarus take Miranda Keyes hostage? To insert the Index, because only Humans can (it's DNA recognition).

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Posted by: Sub Zer0
I'm with ice man here and stubby ninja, look at all the evidence, why are the humans soo important to the flood and 343 GP, i mean, have you ever seen a covie as a flood, hmm...
no of course not cuz the flood are only interested in the humans, and the flood musthave beed created by the forruners cuz the flood attack humans which they might confuse with the forruners


You really have to be joking me. Go play Halo or read the books before you talk about it.
Humans=forerunners, if halo storyline=predictable and simple.
Let us use common sense.
It would be the least drastic plot twist in the history of video games if humans were forerunners.




  • 07.07.2006 7:43 PM PDT
Subject: 10 RESONES WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.

I have walked among man and angels for three thousand years...
time has no begining, no end, no purpose...
i wander the earth, seeking forgivness for my own crimes against God and man...
i wish to seek death, destruction over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
i live in a prison of my own demise...i am lost in time...

The Excovenant

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Posted by: major_gamer
Reasons why the humans are descendants/related to the Forerunners.

* The Ark is on Earth
* The Halos resemble Earth, atmosphere and geography
* Only Humans can activate the halos
* The Spartans, for some reason, find Forerunner marks/runes to be familiar
* 343 GS told MC he "Should already know how the halos worked"
* 343 GS, when hacking into PoA's engineering room, said "Oh how wonderful, a record of all our lost time. Human history, is it?"


just one problem with that, the covenant CAN active the halos too, but i agree with you


No they can't. Why did Tartarus take Miranda Keyes hostage? To insert the Index, because only Humans can (it's DNA recognition).


oh yea nvm then your right

  • 07.07.2006 7:45 PM PDT
Subject: 15 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS. (now with some better re...

I have walked among man and angels for three thousand years...
time has no begining, no end, no purpose...
i wander the earth, seeking forgivness for my own crimes against God and man...
i wish to seek death, destruction over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished...
i live in a prison of my own demise...i am lost in time...

The Excovenant

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I'm with ice man here and stubby ninja, look at all the evidence, why are the humans soo important to the flood and 343 GP, i mean, have you ever seen a covie as a flood, hmm...
no of course not cuz the flood are only interested in the humans, and the flood musthave beed created by the forruners cuz the flood attack humans which they might confuse with the forruners


You really have to be joking me. Go play Halo or read the books before you talk about it.
Humans=forerunners, if halo storyline=predictable and simple.
Let us use common sense.
It would be the least drastic plot twist in the history of video games if humans were forerunners.






well what else makes the most sense. Maybe you should go play halo cuz the 343 guility spark thing gives alot of hints that the humans are either related to or are the forruners

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hunter you at LEAST agree that humans have SOME kind of tie to the forerunner , right?


I agree that we it may be possible for use to have some kind of tie with them; I don’t think we do, but I think it may be possible, i just dose not make mush sence. I do not think it is possible that we are forerunners.


but WHY?

with all the evidence around you it pretty much points to forerunner= humans

i feel that the only reasons youre throwing out are random conjecture without anything to back it up, and i know youre a good arguer, but this isnt much of an arguement cuz everytime i argue in a thread like this, NO ONE has yet to disprove me. why? cuz theres no evidence that the humans arent forerunner. but the evidence that they are forerunner is so abundant, and if its in the game, we can safely assume its true based on FACTS and not just thought


why would the monitor say his creators and all life were wiped out if he thought we were forerunners?



he said he was glad to see some of us survive to reproduce

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I'm with ice man here and stubby ninja, look at all the evidence, why are the humans soo important to the flood and 343 GP, i mean, have you ever seen a covie as a flood, hmm...
no of course not cuz the flood are only interested in the humans, and the flood musthave beed created by the forruners cuz the flood attack humans which they might confuse with the forruners


You really have to be joking me. Go play Halo or read the books before you talk about it.
Humans=forerunners, if halo storyline=predictable and simple.
Let us use common sense.
It would be the least drastic plot twist in the history of video games if humans were forerunners.






well what else makes the most sense. Maybe you should go play halo cuz the 343 guility spark thing gives alot of hints that the humans are either related to or are the forruners


That's the point. We don't know what the answer is yet. There's still a whole game to go, we aren't supposed to know.

It's not in debate wether or not I've played the Halo games here. You're the one who says there are no covenant flood forms.

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Look you guys, Bungie has it under control. But, based on the information given (props to iceman) it does lead to a certain conclusion... That's what storys do. Basically, with all of the things GS said to the Chief it's hard not to believe humans = forerunners. Just look at the facts.

I don't think bungie is going to try to surprise us here. Maybe the surprise will be something about why the forerunners did what they did. IDK, but i do think we are related to (if not one and the same) forerunners. Everything points in that direction.

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The monitor only holds info of what he knows, so the forerunners could've worked on us in secret.

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a couple little tidbits of info to help.

First of all MC wasn't even the first "reclaimer" remember the mangled Marine?
Secondly, here are the top three points (in my opinion)
- GS's Dialogue with MC
- Similarities between the Halos and Earth
- the fact that (due to the mental augmentation) the Subconscious of the Spartans was slighly tapped into and the forerunner tech caused feelings of familiarity.

Also, to hunter117 you need to remember that it is (in game) fact that halo was activated 100k years ago.
It is fact that the ark (i believe)or atleast SOME ancient structure is in/on Earth relevant to Forerunners.
It is also fact that only humans can operate the Halos.
Also, my point... the covvies can't invent AI...yet...
atleast not developed...
we have AI's like cortana... think of GS. He is quite human in quirks and characteristics. He is emulating the patterns of his creator, most likely. Why would some Crazy alien species with 80 arms and fifty torsos invent an AI with a brazen, egotistical and QUITE human personality. (the 80 arms 50 torso is hyperbole so chill out)
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  • 07.07.2006 8:47 PM PDT
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He's just a genius in the computer and game world. Enough said.

Posted by: hunter117
Alright you want facts and quotes here are a few.

Let's see, hopefully people will read this before further posting, as they think your a retard who actually beleive the origional post was for real.

Posted by: hunter117
Humans have been on earth 2 million years right, the first life was on earth about a billion years before that right so that means the halos were activated at least a billion years before the humans came to earth. It would not take them that long to get to earth the humans in the books could travel much faster than that.

Not necesarily, your forgetting the possibility of earth being the ARK, that would mean that all sentinate life on the planet could survive, supposing ofcourse that thats the purpose of the ark. Then again though my evidence is circumstantial and assumes certain things, so is yours, only it assumes the opposite. Stalemate :)

Posted by: hunter117
Also if you think they placed life forms on earth that would evolve into humans than there is no way that they would look anything like forerunners because they evolved on a completely different planet.

Well who says it's a completely different planet, maybe it's even the same planet. Once again your assuming things in your argument, then again so is pretty well everyone who voices there arguments on the plot. Once again neither proves the other wrong as it could be a completely different planet we don't know. Stalemate :)

Posted by: hunter117
They would be some thing completely new. No matter how you look at it, it has been a billion years since the rings were activated and in a billion years of evolution they will be completely different form the original organism, it’s like saying we evolved from small one celled organisms so we must be small one celled organisms.

Well that comparison at the end is illlegitimate as if the forerunners planted organsim to evolve, well those organisms are forerunner so we wouldn't be saying we are forerunner because we evolved form them. We'd be saying we're forerunner because we evolved form the same cells as them though they would have to be genetically engineered to evolve in a certain way. Either way I not nor you have any evidence for or against that can't be argued and proven only a possibility. Stalemate :)

Posted by: hunter117
But the fact that they would even try to preserve life is dumb why would they build a weapon that could wipe out all life if they wanted to save preserve their race.

Well the weapon was built to destroy all the life in the universe so that the flood would not consume them. Destroy their race to save it, it was a act of desperation as they new it would not survive if they didn't destroy the flood. I'm afraid I have point here, but it's a circumstential point like always.

Posted by: hunter117
Also the monitor says his creators and all life were wiped out, not some life all of it.

Well if you can find that quote please do so, that would be a major point in your favour, but I need the quote because i do not remember him saying that.

Posted by: hunter117
Even if they saved some life they would not be able to survive because they would have nothing to eat.

Well what if they saved food aswell. Once again the earth may be the ARK thus preserving food. Aswell if they had as some (not me) beleive left organism to evolve, what makes you say they only left pre-human organisms. Since I made no point here but only proved your deligitmate. Stalemate:)

Posted by: hunter117
Even if they could or would make a life form that would evolve to be them on earth after a billion years that would make them gods and not at all humans.
Who says it's been a billion years. This is a video game they can decide wther humans are right or wrong in this universe. Besides if the earth is the ark and the ark works life we think then they wouldn't of needed to have evolving organism to recreate themselves. Once again neither is really evidence, only ideas that if something works this way then....So once again No Points:) (you thought I was gonna say something else weren't you).

What everyone needs to undertand is that there is no solid evidence, only circumstantial and hints. So no matter what you say about the way things are, there is no solid backing, only a few hints. We need to realize that none of us know and that though we may debate we must realize that there can be no clear winner and we must undertand that others have good reason for think the way they do even if it opposes the way you think which may also have good reasoning. We as a race too often resort to taking sides in an rather then having a neutrel discussion. I think my next post i'll make much more neutral and try to discuss both sides. the reason I atatcked Hunters arguments was because I do beleive that the humans are forerunners and I did not find is arguments to be good evidence otherwise.

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