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hunter you at LEAST agree that humans have SOME kind of tie to the forerunner , right?


I agree that we it may be possible for use to have some kind of tie with them; I don’t think we do, but I think it may be possible, i just dose not make mush sence. I do not think it is possible that we are forerunners.


but WHY?

with all the evidence around you it pretty much points to forerunner= humans

i feel that the only reasons youre throwing out are random conjecture without anything to back it up, and i know youre a good arguer, but this isnt much of an arguement cuz everytime i argue in a thread like this, NO ONE has yet to disprove me. why? cuz theres no evidence that the humans arent forerunner. but the evidence that they are forerunner is so abundant, and if its in the game, we can safely assume its true based on FACTS and not just thought


why would the monitor say his creators and all life were wiped out if he thought we were forerunners?



he said he was glad to see some of us survive to reproduce


even if he is saying the forerunners are still alive, that dose not mean they are humans.

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can i just make a little statement?

The Covenant call the people who created the halos Forerunners because "they were the fore fathers of the halos" meaning they used to own it, not anymore.

The monitors call the MC a reclaimer, reclaimer means claiming something back, so obviously, we're taking back the halo's

Did it ever occur odd to you that at the end of Halo 2 the covenant couldnt activate halo? why did they need Miranda Keyes to press the button?

now, i'm not saying humans are the direct decendants of the forerunners, that some form of our ancestors were existing at the time.

some of you people put to much stock into the names that they've been given, the Forerunners is just an alias, the covenant dont know what they're actual names are.

If your gonna call the reclaimers a race, you might aswell call us demons, thats what the covenant call us.

...and yes, i cant spell aswell, i always get mixed up with aswel and aswell, could someone tell me the real spelling, much tahnks...

  • 07.08.2006 4:07 AM PDT
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I'm not agreeing with the forerunners = human theory at all but I am challenging some of your points.

When you said that humans were not god you are forgetting something relative to us most of all in comparisson with the covies. While the covies can't innovate and improve, with humans only using about 40% of our brain capacity we have been able to improve upon forerunner tech from minute samples such as the MCs shield tech which was drastically improved from both elite armor from our research of jackal shields. Imagine if every one's full potential could be used (the extra 60% of our minds, perhaps that was the forerunner's mistake they perhaps intended for full brain capacity but yet a flaw in our human nature caused a miscalculation and the few who can use greater portions of their minds are now treated as geniuses and such, if with only under a half of our capacity we can improve upon forerunner tech then give me a 100% brain human and a single human ship and I can have that thing eqipped with weapons precise and powerful enough to tear apart an entire covie armada.

Also I myself also pondered why the forerunner's would want to protect life while killing it. Well consider this, with the flood this massive disease upon all sentient existance do you really think that they advance any form of culture, no I would bet not, with the exception of gravemind so far I have not seen a single flood form do anything that was not a simple requirement to kill more prey.

Though the forerunners killed themselves and others to prevent the flood from attacking they ultimately made a hope for future potential life. Think about it for a second, a couple billion years after the halos fire new sentient life begins to form from micro organisms and such. Now if the flood had consumed all and spread across the galaxy as soon as this new species ever rose up in knowledge or power the flood would cut it off and consume it all before any new chence of them bettering the universe through their actions.

My feelings are that the forerunners knew that their way of life and all others were up due to the flood being unstoppable, so they looked for the potential of the future, if they didn't perform all means to cut off the flood then any potential future life would also be killed off by the flood. Sort of they did not want the entire universe to become a massive flood blob of existance while all other life forms are non existant. It's sort of like luring a massive invincible monster into your home and then nuking the area so it kills everything there, though somewhere off in the distance there are children, while they may not be your children they are anything but the flood and that is good enough for you. Even if those children still need to slowly evolve into sentience over a billion years it is still better than seeing a universe void of all life except a massive flood entity.
I still don't support the forerunner = human theory but your discrediting reasons are poorly crafted together and deserve only insult, you have left many things out of consideration and almost more support the theory that you say you oppose throught your flimsy (almost sarcastic looking) excuse for an arguement.

  • 07.08.2006 5:23 AM PDT

Keep on fraggin'

We ARE the forerunners. A lot of quotes from Guilty Spark have been made on this topic and they all point to us as forerunners. One quote not yet mentionned is when MC hesitates to put the index in the control room. Guilty Spark answers to this by saying: "Why hesitate to do something you have allready done before". This clearly indicates that we are in fact the descendants of the forerunners.

Read the signes people!

  • 07.08.2006 6:14 AM PDT
Subject: HUMANS ARE FORERUNNERS. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION
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i am glad that at least a couple people here have actually read the books as well as played the game. the humans are the forerunners, as some of these comrades here have divulged to explain to these people devoid of intelligence. many of you have the stupidest reasons as to why the humans can't be the froerunners. why are you guys denying the truth? are you timid or scared to know that we were capable of such power? bah! i dont know, but before anyone else post's something against the human=forerunner theory, please have some more knowledge of the game (make sure you've read the book and played the game)

  • 07.08.2006 6:21 AM PDT

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16) even if we were dirived from forerunners that dose not make us them

17) there is no reason that they would try to preserve there race

18) the monitor says they are all dead

19) even if they came to earth they would have evolved to some thing completly new.

20) and i dont see why they would add that to the game now.

  • 07.08.2006 7:41 PM PDT

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He's just a genius in the computer and game world. Enough said.

16) I don't beleive we derived from the forerunners, I beleive we are them so well, that means nothing to me.

17) Why wouldn't they. If the world was about to fall into a huge iceage that we as a race could not survive and we could move some people to let's say a big setlement on mars that could sutain life through the iceage, would we. Yes, because we are a proud species who want to continue ourselves. We see ourselves as something worth preserving.

18) He said all his creators were dead. That does not necesarily include the entire race.

19) First off who says they CAME to earth and weren't there from the beginning, maybe they were the origional people but life started over after the Halos activated. Besides throughout the history of civilization we have not evovled much, so to say they would is assuming that it was a very very long length of time since the halos were activated.

20) Why wouldn't they, it's the ultimate plot twist to find that the covenent were destroying those who they worshiped without even knowing it. Besides it not really adding it there only concluding the questions posed since the first game.

  • 07.08.2006 10:02 PM PDT
Subject: 20 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.

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Haha, this is the most narrow-minded post I've seen in quite awhile. I'll have to reply to your first part, since the rest doesn't really make any sense.. (Of course, neither does the first part.. Hmm)

Posted by: hunter117
1) They are humans not forerunners

That's not a reason.. You're just restating your opinion.

2) I think I would know if I were a forerunner

Would you? Besides, in the game universe, therefore you don't actually feel a certain way about yourself in it. Not to say Bungie does excell at making games believable.

3) The covenant hates use

Who's to say they aren't attacking us, not knowing what we really are?

4) If we were forerunners the monitors would have called us that or the creators, not reclaimers.

Who said a Forerunner was not the previous Reclaimer?

5) All forerunners are dead.

Or so we think...

6) We live on earth, we always have

According to religious documents and historical documents on EARTH..

7) Just because we can use their tech dose not make us forerunners

You spelled does incorrectly.. And who said we're Forerunners due to our ability to press buttons?

8) It is just a game, it doesn’t even matter

Yet you post here just the same.

9) There is no way any human would build some thing like the halos and I know that not all the humans could agree with that.

Go watch uh, Mega Structures, on the Discovery Channel.

10) Every one thinks that and bunige wont do it if every one expects it.

I don't expect it.. it's just another theory. The majority doesn't believe it.

That's the first 10.. Your later lists just further the silly.

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  • 07.08.2006 10:16 PM PDT

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21) Forerunners are smarter than humans

22) Form what we know of forerunners they don’t act like humans

23) There would probably be more forerunners junk on earth

24) The prophets would know if we were forerunners

25) If the monitor mistook MC for a forerunners than that probably means they did not look very human because MC did not look very human.

  • 07.09.2006 11:05 AM PDT
Subject: HUMANS ARE FORERUNNERS. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION

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First off who says they CAME to earth and weren't there from the beginning, maybe they were the origional people but life started over after the Halos activated. Besides throughout the history of civilization we have not evovled much, so to say they would is assuming that it was a very very long length of time since the halos were activated.



i think there would have been a lot more forerunner stuff here.

  • 07.09.2006 3:31 PM PDT
Subject: 25 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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Sure, why not? It's just a game.

  • 07.09.2006 3:37 PM PDT
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Well I guess we'll see who's right in a few months...but until then....i remain neutral..because i dont know.....just like the rest of you...even though you think you know.
bwahhahahaha

  • 07.09.2006 4:30 PM PDT

You cant really say that you know what is what in halo 3, sense nobody in the world has played it. So quit getting your panties in a knot.

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Reason number 8 is actually why we just might be. Great reasoning there :D

  • 07.09.2006 5:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: major_gamer
Reasons why the humans are descendants/related to the Forerunners.

* The Ark is on Earth
* The Halos resemble Earth, atmosphere and geography
* Only Humans can activate the halos
* The Spartans, for some reason, find Forerunner marks/runes to be familiar
* 343 GS told MC he "Should already know how the halos worked"
* 343 GS, when hacking into PoA's engineering room, said "Oh how wonderful, a record of all OUR lost time. Human history, is it?"



this supports the fact that humans ARE forerunners completely i dont know how you could disagree...BUT...if they are old enough for humanity to forget then there has to have been something else because how would have they have gotten off then planet made the halos and the arc? because of this i believe the covenant were somehow involved...their technology was already WAY ahead of ours before the humans had discovered them they must have helped before and somehow all of this history has disappered from both covenant and humans... is it making sense now?

-Auron



  • 07.09.2006 5:16 PM PDT
Subject: 20 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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Posted by: hunter117
21) Forerunners are smarter than humans

22) Form what we know of forerunners they don’t act like humans

23) There would probably be more forerunners junk on earth

24) The prophets would know if we were forerunners

25) If the monitor mistook MC for a forerunners than that probably means they did not look very human because MC did not look very human.


#21)intellegence is gained but what is gained can be lost thats why we have mysteries

#22)well duh it was X000 years ago

#23)o you mean stuff like stone henge...or maybe you were more reffering to the BIG ASS THING THAT POPPED OUT OF THE GROUND!!!(the arc)

#24)reffer back to what i said before not only can intel be gained but it can be lost AND so far all the prophets have been doing is trying to blow up the friggin universe i wouldnt trust them too much

#25)343 GS seems to know alot about stuff including MC he could even have known he was human just because of his form.....or the marines.....


GO ME
-Auron





Also:yesterday when i checked,this thread was at 10 reasons then earlier it was 25...20....then 15 lol are you taking back some dumb stuff? i think you are....i cant tell if i pity you or wanna give you a cookie....o well

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  • 07.09.2006 5:24 PM PDT
Subject: 10 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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There is no way humans have been on earth for 2,000,000 years.

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ICEMAN
HERES YOUR PROOF ON WHY THE HUMAN ARE FORERUNNER

*343 GUILTY SPARK:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.




*343 GUILTY SPARK:
The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.


this one proves we descendend from the forerunner. and dont give that "its the flood he's talking about" crap. see the first quote and that quells that ridiculous notion.

*343 GUILTY SPARK:
Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.



HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?????

*343 GUILTY SPARK:
You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating


and heres the icing on the cake. NOT EVEN with HALF A BRAIN can anyone dispute this quote

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i agree with you that last one was a clincher

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  • 07.09.2006 6:02 PM PDT

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26) Humans don’t look like forerunners

27) Humans don’t sound like forerunners

28) Humans don’t smell like forerunners

29) Sentinels attacked the humans

30) The monitor told the sentinels to attack the humans.

  • 07.10.2006 2:32 PM PDT
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Hey hunter. go to wikiped. There are different ages in he Covvie time-system. the age of doubt is where the Cov found halos but couldn' activate them without a reclaimer...
the indexes only work for humans due to DNa (PROVEN FACT). We are related to forerunners and you are just degrading yourself by giving off childinsh reasons

  • 07.10.2006 2:35 PM PDT
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A little ot here, one thing that intrigued me at the end of halo 2 was "why, the galactic center of course." Seeing as we have all figured out that the monitor was refering to earth, that's just a little odd. Was that purposely made that way, or does bungie not know the big bang theory :P.

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  • 07.10.2006 2:37 PM PDT
Subject: 25 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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7 Reasons your a dumb -blam-

1. That was not 25 reasons...
2. Get your facts strait...
3. You wouldn't know if you were a forunner
4.Monitors do not talk normal...so they would call us Creators
5. You dont know that all the forunners are dead...
6. You dont know that we have always lived on earth..
7. I supose you stand for all humans when saying that no one could build a halo...wow...boy how you are wrong.

  • 07.10.2006 2:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
HERES YOUR PROOF ON WHY THE HUMAN ARE FORERUNNER

*343 GUILTY SPARK:
Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocols may again need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for study. It seems... that decision may have been an error.




*343 GUILTY SPARK:
The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.


this one proves we descendend from the forerunner. and dont give that "its the flood he's talking about" crap. see the first quote and that quells that ridiculous notion.


What the -BLAM!- is wrong with your brain. the first quote doesn't do -Blam!- to quell any notion whatsoever, and if you had any grasp of grammatical rules whatsoever you would know that the second quote is obviously talking about the flood.


*343 GUILTY SPARK:
Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.



HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?????

*343 GUILTY SPARK:
You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating


and heres the icing on the cake. NOT EVEN with HALF A BRAIN can anyone dispute this quote


the third quote doesn't even pertain to your argument. With the fourth, Guilty spark was simply talking about the fact that he could use Human history to fill in the gaps between the activation of the halo rings the first time and when chief arrived. If the humans were the forerunner, then chances are guilty spark would have referred to it as such.

  • 07.10.2006 2:51 PM PDT
Subject: 25 REASONS WHY HUMANS ARE NOT FORERUNNERS.
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"3) The covenant hates use " HAHAHA

Well if you said "The covenant hates US" you would still be wrong, they dont know humans are forerunners, the high prophets know, at least Truth. And since they would be out ranked by the humans if the rest of the covenant knew they where forerunners. Second forerunners arnt a race name, its more lika a title. And reclaimer is a title aswell. Forerunners is what the Covenant call them. And 343GSs "...records of all OUR lost history.. human history.." still is one of the main quotes that leads me to believe humans are the so called "forerunners".

And humans have not existed for 2 million years.

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  • 07.10.2006 3:03 PM PDT