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  • 01.01.2013 12:12 AM PDT

Life?
I have the internet and Doctor Who; i don't need a life.

i'm not sure

i think so, but i'm not sure what it would entail.
certainly nothing put forward by mainstream religion.

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  • 01.01.2013 12:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: EvilBad6666

Posted by: echo630

Posted by: A Blind Wolf
So far 47% of people here are idiots. When you die, you die. If life went on for eternity, it would make life meaningless. Might as well kill yourself now since you'll still somehow be alive afterwards.


This is ridiculous. You calling them idiots for having faith is hypocritical because you're so faithful yourself in the idea that life does not continue after death. To use an analogy, atheism is as much a position of faith as theism.

The idea that life would then become meaningless if it were eternal is also ridiculous. It presupposes that a finite life is not already meaningless and absurd. Either a finite life is meaningless and absurd, or it has some inherent, given, obvious meaning that is most likely delivered by a some deity--in which case, why would it be so idiotic to believe that life could last forever? If you keep it ahead of yourself that life, whether finite or infinite, is inherently meaningless, it makes it well worth living. You just have to bear in mind that your enterprise is absurd. See Albert Camus: suicide in the face of such absurdity is not the answer. And I wouldn't call him an idiot.


There not being something is the default position to hold. You do not need faith to not believe in something. If there is evidence then yes, but I have yet to see any evidence for an afterlife. All I see is a function. That's it.

I do not think that life has any meaning besides the meaning that you give it. There is no actual meaning to life, whether it is finite or infinite.

Keep in mind that I'm not the same person. I do not think that people who believe in an afterlife are idiots.


The default position is agnosticism, then, because there is evidence neither for the existence nor the nonexistence of the afterlife. Either of those positions, because there is no evidence for them, is a position of faith.

As for what you say about meaning, we're on the same page.

  • 01.01.2013 12:16 AM PDT

One does not simply trolololol into Mordor.

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Who knows? We only know when we're dead.

  • 01.01.2013 12:18 AM PDT

I wish it existed, but it doesn't. Things must come to an end, except for one thing, energy.

The energy that is used in your body will never die out. Whether you turn into food or just rot, that energy will always be somewhere.

  • 01.01.2013 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: echo630
The default position is agnosticism, then, because there is evidence neither for the existence nor the nonexistence of the afterlife. Either of those positions, because there is no evidence for them, is a position of faith.

As for what you say about meaning, we're on the same page.

Okay first off, no, the default position of a human being regarding this subject is complete ignorance, not agnosticism. A person never introduced to the concept of the afterlife would not hold a position whatsoever, as they have nothing to base it off of.

Someone holding an agnostic perspective needs to acknowledge the opposing propositions, not simply not have a definitive stance. And any argument that assumes a position is true because it has yet to be disproven is an Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam.

One can use relatively basic knowledge snatched from various scientific fields to deduce that it is unlikely any sort of afterlife exists. As of yet, there is a substantial amount of reason to assume that an afterlife is nonexistant, and not the opposite.

  • 01.01.2013 12:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: EvilBad6666

Posted by: echo630

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Posted by: echo630

Posted by: A Blind Wolf
So far 47% of people here are idiots. When you die, you die. If life went on for eternity, it would make life meaningless. Might as well kill yourself now since you'll still somehow be alive afterwards.


This is ridiculous. You calling them idiots for having faith is hypocritical because you're so faithful yourself in the idea that life does not continue after death. To use an analogy, atheism is as much a position of faith as theism.

The idea that life would then become meaningless if it were eternal is also ridiculous. It presupposes that a finite life is not already meaningless and absurd. Either a finite life is meaningless and absurd, or it has some inherent, given, obvious meaning that is most likely delivered by a some deity--in which case, why would it be so idiotic to believe that life could last forever? If you keep it ahead of yourself that life, whether finite or infinite, is inherently meaningless, it makes it well worth living. You just have to bear in mind that your enterprise is absurd. See Albert Camus: suicide in the face of such absurdity is not the answer. And I wouldn't call him an idiot.


There not being something is the default position to hold. You do not need faith to not believe in something. If there is evidence then yes, but I have yet to see any evidence for an afterlife. All I see is a function. That's it.

I do not think that life has any meaning besides the meaning that you give it. There is no actual meaning to life, whether it is finite or infinite.

Keep in mind that I'm not the same person. I do not think that people who believe in an afterlife are idiots.


The default position is agnosticism, then, because there is evidence neither for the existence nor the nonexistence of the afterlife. Either of those positions, because there is no evidence for them, is a position of faith.

As for what you say about meaning, we're on the same page.


I hate to bring this analogy in, but it seems that I have to. This will seem quite ridiculous but bare with me.

Imagine that there is an invisible creature that you can not touch because it will phase through you is beside you. None of your senses work on it. Can you prove that that creature is not there? No, you can't because there's no way to examine it. There is no evidence for it and that is why I dismiss it.


Right, but we have no reason to believe that that creature would be there in the first place. When we speak about the after-life, we speak about the extension of something that we have good reason to believe is already there, namely our current life. We know, or have good reason to believe, that exists, and then there are philosophical and religious arguments for why this life may continue, and also why we can't be sure that it does not continue. Again, there isn't evidence for either theory, and if we truly have a soul or eternal essence (which I don't believe we have), then it may be that we have no way of monitoring whether it persists after death.

Now, if we want to be serious in considering whether the soul persists, then we should also be very critical now about the existence of a soul in this life. We should pay attention to whether there is anything at all that might persist.

  • 01.01.2013 12:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: WinyPit82
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The default position is agnosticism, then, because there is evidence neither for the existence nor the nonexistence of the afterlife. Either of those positions, because there is no evidence for them, is a position of faith.

As for what you say about meaning, we're on the same page.

Okay first off, no, the default position of a human being regarding this subject is complete ignorance, not agnosticism. A person never introduced to the concept of the afterlife would not hold a position whatsoever, as they have nothing to base it off of.

Someone holding an agnostic perspective needs to acknowledge the opposing propositions, not simply not have a definitive stance. And any argument that assumes a position is true because it has yet to be disproven is an Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam.

One can use relatively basic knowledge snatched from various scientific fields to deduce that it is unlikely any sort of afterlife exists. As of yet, there is a substantial amount of reason to assume that an afterlife is nonexistant, and not the opposite.


I'm talking about a default epistemological position. You begin with agnosticism regarding the soul (we are presupposing that you are regarding the soul, as that is what this thread is about). To then posit either the existence or nonexistence of the afterlife is a position that requires faith, since evidence doesn't suffice. That is what I mean. As for a human being's natural position on the subject, that is relative. It's not like religion is completely a sociological construct that we are either introduced to or not; it is a natural human experience.

  • 01.01.2013 12:32 AM PDT

Life?
I have the internet and Doctor Who; i don't need a life.

Posted by: WinyPit82
One can use relatively basic knowledge snatched from various scientific fields to deduce that it is unlikely any sort of afterlife exists. As of yet, there is a substantial amount of reason to assume that an afterlife is nonexistant, and not the opposite.

we don't know what happens after a person dies, except what happens to their body. i don't think many people who believe in the afterlife would say that a person's physical body survives. since science can only deal in the physical world i find it rather unqualified to be used to answer things such as the existence of an afterlife, or that of a god(s) etc, since (at least in my opinion) these questions are not concerning the physical world.
i would therefore argue that there is pretty much no 'evidence' for either camp and we can only know for sure once we're dead.

  • 01.01.2013 12:38 AM PDT

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I don't know.

I guess I'll find out when my time comes :P

For now, I've got a life to live!

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EvilBad: What I mean is that we can say, let's, with 99% accuracy that we are living right now. I mean, for all conventional purposes, that's a fine assumption. The tricky part is proving whether or not inside of our life, inside of ourselves, there is a soul that animates us--and if there is, which is a theory on the table, then that is reason to believe that it might persist after our bodily deaths. So we aren't positing something out of nowhere so much as we are extrapolating it. That's about what I mean about evidence.

Now, as far as what I actually believe, I don't believe we have a soul, so I think the question, "Do you exist after death?" is meaningless.

But yeah, I think in your summation of what I said, we're on the same page.

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  • 01.01.2013 1:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: A Stolen Fruit
I don't know.

I guess I'll find out when my time comes :P

For now, I've got a life to live!

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  • 01.01.2013 1:05 AM PDT

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I like to think that whatever you believe in happens. So if you are an Atheist then there is no life after death but if you are a Christian and believe in the afterlife then you go to heaven. Same thing with other religions. I am thinking of worshiping Norse gods so I can go to Valhalla if I am right.

  • 01.01.2013 1:06 AM PDT

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Nope. This Carl Sagan quote pretty much sums it up:

I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking.

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  • 01.01.2013 1:06 AM PDT
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No I don't and it makes me scared I wanna feel as if there's something after death, but I just can't find it. An people who say they aint scared are just lying they know they are. When they be chillin on teh death bed they will be like -blam!- i want something more.

  • 01.01.2013 1:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: EvilBad6666

Posted by: echo630
EvilBad: What I mean is that we can say, let's, with 99% accuracy that we are living right now. I mean, for all conventional purposes, that's a fine assumption. The tricky part is proving whether or not inside of our life, inside of ourselves, there is a soul that animates us--and if there is, which is a theory on the table, then that is reason to believe that it might persist after our bodily deaths. So we aren't positing something out of nowhere so much as we are extrapolating it. That's about what I mean about evidence.

Now, as far as what I actually believe, I don't believe we have a soul, so I think the question, "Do you exist after death?" is meaningless.

But yeah, I think in your summation of what I said, we're on the same page.


So you're saying that there's evidence that a soul might exist? I'm not going to argue with you on whether an afterlife exists right now or not, but I just want to be sure I get what you're saying. I mean I think you're saying that since there's this life then that's evidence that an afterlife might exist.

I just don't see how if something doesn't have any evidence why it would not be dismissible. Do we have a miscommunication on what evidence is?


No, no. I believe that when you think critically about it and really put the idea through your mental crucible, evidence to the contrary exists for a soul. I believe we are soulless and ever-changing. We have no centers. But I am saying that the existence of the soul is the competing theory. I split these theories into two groups: atman (souls) and anatman (no souls). I believe in anatman, and I think there is evidence and reason for that. But, if you really have reason to believe in atman, if you really think there is strong evidence for it (which I don't), then it is right to believe that there is no evidence to say that the soul either persists or perishes after bodily death. It's outside the scope of our science and our reason. It is of a different magisterium, so to speak.

  • 01.01.2013 1:23 AM PDT

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I'd like to, but it's unlikely.

  • 01.01.2013 1:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bungie Sam
Yes. Life will continue to exist beyond my apparent death.

  • 01.01.2013 1:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlazedStoner420
No I don't and it makes me scared I wanna feel as if there's something after death, but I just can't find it. An people who say they aint scared are just lying they know they are. When they be chillin on teh death bed they will be like -blam!- i want something more.

I'm not scared. I know what happens after death.

  • 01.01.2013 1:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Final Rose
Yes, because I'm not a pessimist idiot.


You're calling people who don't believe in a miracle existence after the brain and heart stop idiots?

OT: No,death is just like 3 billion years before you were born, nothing,no thinking or existence.

  • 01.01.2013 1:29 AM PDT