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Extremely. And are you saying that being a doctor requires less skill than playing football? Are you high?

Are there more doctors or more NFL players?
Does being in the NFL save peoples' lives?


I'd say no.

But why does that matter?
Because keeping people alive and healthy > entertainment


but thats not what were talking about.

We're talking about SKILL and REVENUE.

I can easily diagnose a cold or flu using Web MD.
and despite being a college baseball player. I couldn't strike out even the worst MLB player.

  • 01.01.2013 12:45 PM PDT

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Of course they are but as already mentioned, that's the fans' fault.

  • 01.01.2013 12:45 PM PDT

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However, both of those things are far less important than education, civics, philosophy, ethics, and politics.


What, no science in your list of examples?
It was part of "education."

  • 01.01.2013 12:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: NewRadical12
However, both of those things are far less important than education, civics, philosophy, ethics, and politics.


What, no science in your list of examples?
Clearly philosophy is more important than science.

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The problem with our society is that people like the OP do not value soldiers and teachers. It's disgusting that those who serve our nation make such meager salaries. We need to support them.


They don't bring in very much revenue though. Sports players do.

Then you obviously fail to see the long term benefits of investing in our education. Yes, athletes provide short term income. However, investing in our teachers, and in a very real sense our future, we guarantee a population ready to handle the jobs of tomorrow.

  • 01.01.2013 12:46 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

Welcome to capitalism. Where we pay lots of money for entertainment.

If you don't like it, leave.

  • 01.01.2013 12:46 PM PDT


Posted by: NewRadical12
I didn't say it did, though I would argue that music and other artistic pursuits are generally more important than sports just because art is a more intellectually rigorous process than sports.


I guess you havent played many sports.

Anyone can draw a picture and have it considered art.

Not many people can QB a football team. Even at the highschool level.

I'd also venture to say that it takes a lot more intellect to QB a football team than to paint on a piece of canvas.

  • 01.01.2013 12:47 PM PDT

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Welcome to capitalism. Where we pay lots of money for entertainment.

If you don't like it, leave.
This. Like i said before, and Recon said, they only make so much money because people give it to them.

  • 01.01.2013 12:47 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

Of course athletes are overpaid. Anyone who says it's the fans fault is only partially right. It is also the league's fault as well for paying them what they are, the enterprises who are charging the fans what they are, and a large mix of other factors.

  • 01.01.2013 12:48 PM PDT

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They get paid more than the president. Hell yea they are overpaid!

  • 01.01.2013 12:49 PM PDT


Posted by: jacob crawford
Of course athletes are overpaid. Anyone who says it's the fans fault is only partially right. It is also the league's fault as well for paying them what they are, the enterprises who are charging the fans what they are, and a large mix of other factors.


So you'd rather the owners just keep all the money and low ball their employees?

And the ticket prices are fine. They price it how people will pay.

If youre selling a product and people will spend 90 bucks on it. You arent going to price it at 50. Thats just bad business.

  • 01.01.2013 12:49 PM PDT

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They get paid more than the president. Hell yea they are overpaid!
Actually, the president is purposefully not given the highest salary.

  • 01.01.2013 12:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford
Of course athletes are overpaid. Anyone who says it's the fans fault is only partially right. It is also the league's fault as well for paying them what they are, the enterprises who are charging the fans what they are, and a large mix of other factors.


So you'd rather the owners just keep all the money and low ball their employees?

And the ticket prices are fine. They price it how people will pay.

If youre selling a product and people will spend 90 bucks on it. You arent going to price it at 50. Thats just bad business.
The money could be put to good use in other ways. Imagine if every player in the NFL got $1,000 taken off their salary and donated to charity.

I'm not saying they should, it's money they earned through hard work and they can do whatever they want with it. Im just saying it could.

  • 01.01.2013 12:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: jacob crawford
Of course athletes are overpaid. Anyone who says it's the fans fault is only partially right. It is also the league's fault as well for paying them what they are, the enterprises who are charging the fans what they are, and a large mix of other factors.


So you'd rather the owners just keep all the money and low ball their employees?

And the ticket prices are fine. They price it how people will pay.

If youre selling a product and people will spend 90 bucks on it. You arent going to price it at 50. Thats just bad business.
The money could be put to good use in other ways. Imagine if every player in the NFL got $1,000 taken off their salary and donated to charity.

I'm not saying they should, it's money they earned through hard work and they can do whatever they want with it. Im just saying it could.


yeah it could. You could also donate $1000 from your salary too. We all could.

But fact is, you earn your money the same way athletes earn theirs.

  • 01.01.2013 12:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford
Of course athletes are overpaid. Anyone who says it's the fans fault is only partially right. It is also the league's fault as well for paying them what they are, the enterprises who are charging the fans what they are, and a large mix of other factors.


So you'd rather the owners just keep all the money and low ball their employees?

And the ticket prices are fine. They price it how people will pay.

If youre selling a product and people will spend 90 bucks on it. You arent going to price it at 50. Thats just bad business.
The money could be put to good use in other ways. Imagine if every player in the NFL got $1,000 taken off their salary and donated to charity.

I'm not saying they should, it's money they earned through hard work and they can do whatever they want with it. Im just saying it could.


yeah it could. You could also donate $1000 from your salary too. We all could.

But fact is, you earn your money the same way athletes earn theirs.
Exactly. But it's human nature to be upset with people that get more than you do, regardless of work put into earning it. You'll hear people talk about the ways rich folk could spend their money to benefit the world all the time, but never here them say the cash they spend on stuff like video games and movies could be put to better use.

  • 01.01.2013 12:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: DatDudeBV
yeah it could. You could also donate $1000 from your salary too. We all could.

But fact is, you earn your money the same way athletes earn theirs.


Difference is, a loss of $1000 would mean much, much less to football clubs than from us.


yes but either way. Its their money. its what they earned. Same as you and me.

  • 01.01.2013 12:57 PM PDT

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AT&T Park in San Francisco holds 41,915 and regularly sells out almost all of its 81 home games a year.

Athletes get paid so much because so many people want to see them perform. I'm not even counting merchandise sales.

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  • 01.01.2013 1:00 PM PDT

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You know what's even worse?

When the boy you like has a girlfriend.
#gheyworldproblems

For the revenue they bring in, I don't think they're overpaid.

I do find pro sporting events to be overpriced though.

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  • 01.01.2013 1:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: DatDudeBV

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I didn't say it did, though I would argue that music and other artistic pursuits are generally more important than sports just because art is a more intellectually rigorous process than sports.


I guess you havent played many sports.

Anyone can draw a picture and have it considered art.

Not many people can QB a football team. Even at the highschool level.

I'd also venture to say that it takes a lot more intellect to QB a football team than to paint on a piece of canvas.
Lol. Strong ad hominem you got there. I've played sports my whole life, and have sacrificed both of my knees to soccer in the process. I love sports, but I recognize that they occupy an inordinately high stratum in American society, which has lead to serious cultural problems.

First of all, it is untrue that "anyone" can be a successful professional artist. The paucity of such and the relative abundance of aspiring-but-unsuccessful artists should make this abundantly clear. I do not know why this myth continues to be propagated.

Secondly, even if this were true, you are still conflating scarcity with value, which simply is not the case, either descriptively or normatively.

Thirdly, the intellectual rigor of being a professional QB absolutely pales in comparison to being a great novelist or poet. But it's not just about the rigor of being the producer of the product. More important is the product's ability to inspire ways of thinking and change cultural norms about how we treat each other, what we value, and how we perceive ourselves. Art can do that, and, historically, has. Sports, however, cannot.

Finally, all of this is largely irrelevant since I do not think any entertainment pursuit (such as sports or, to a lesser extent, music) has value near that of the pursuits that can improve the quality of life of the masses.

  • 01.01.2013 1:03 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh


Posted by: DatDudeBV
yeah it could. You could also donate $1000 from your salary too. We all could.

But fact is, you earn your money the same way athletes earn theirs.

I guess this is where things may get political. It is much like when one is taxed more so because they earn more in a year than another person. To me, there are several options. Lower the prices for your average Joe to get in, seeing the consumer pay less, and then it would follow less wage for the player. I can understand them needing to make more for travel, property of stadiums, etc. But I don't, in my own personal opinion, feel like all athletes are earning their money quite like the average person is, or a soldier, etc.

Something just feels slightly intrinsically wrong about the wages of a few select being so high. Just seems odd to me, but I guess that is the world we have created for ourselves.

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Your 'beliefs' mean less than dick to me.

I'm not one of those people that likes to sit in the dark and cry about what other people make in comparison to me. But regardless, OP is right.

  • 01.01.2013 1:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Make117
Yes they are overpaid.

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