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Subject: The commodification of the female gamer online
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Eh I dunno why people make such a big deal out of it. Just because you have boobs doesn't mean you're special, bad or good way.

  • 01.01.2013 6:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


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Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Aang the Avatar

The fact that you spent so much time posting something so long shows you reacted to all the recent threads and posts negatively.

Why don't you acknowledge the rest of my post? You do know you're just adding to the fire with this thread right?
Or that I react to things thoughtfully. I realise you may find that a foreign concept.

Believe it or not, some people like having discussions with a little thought and consideration. People are constantly telling me these kinds of discussions can be found on the mains. You are doing as much as you can to prove them wrong, it seems.

I think anyone who reacts to this post by going out of their way to harass women was always going to do it. They were just looking for an excuse. Own your bad actions, won't you? You were always a troll. You didn't need my help or anyone else's.


Hilarious how you're so eager to insult me and call me a troll? How am I a troll exactly? The reason I don't want to have a discussion with you now is because you're getting so eager to insult me, and you're posting with an air of smugness and with a condescending tone.
Well, you come into all of my threads complaining that I'm not banned, whatever they are. That's a pretty big hint.

I'm going to get dinner, but you can continue to run around in circles chasing your tail if you like. I really have no interest in engaging with this kind of bad behaviour in what was meant to be a serious thread, sorry.

  • 01.01.2013 6:30 PM PDT

Roll tide

Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: Mike_Bson
Posted by: darthnazgul
See the rapist.
I don't like rap.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Binman59
My view on the matter is that people online will always insult you for something. If you're a girl, you get insulted for being a girl. If you're from France you get called a coward. If you're from various Arabian places you're a terrorist.
False.

Let's accept the fact that online communities of video games, sci-fi, technology, and others are predominantly male. To be more specific, white males between the ages of 15-25. Browsing through picture threads and knowing what people I talk with do in their free time can confirm this point. Let's face it, most girls aren't interested in playing "Call to Honor Shoot 'em up 5", and even fewer are interested in posting on forums about it. That's not to say girls are strictly all about fashion and whatnot, plenty of my female friends are huge Doctor Who fans, which I assume is a rather "nerdy" thing to do (I don't watch the show so I'm assuming a lot).

So when specifics about a user's age, sex, or race come up, and it doesn't meet the norm of white male aged 15-25, you're bound to attract some attention to yourself. Most likely negative attention, since most of the people who spend their nights socializing on forums probably have something wrong with them, usually in the vein of socialization.

Long story short, people will only insult you if you're different. Which isn't the different person's fault, its the insulter that needs to change.


I feel like discussing this, so if someone wants to reply to this, please do.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 6:37 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2013 6:30 PM PDT
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Lost in translation

tl;dr

quit making threads about feminism/females in general

just stop

  • 01.01.2013 6:30 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

And the stupidest post ITT goes to:Posted by: halomaster10144
Girls who play games are pretty much the equivalent to that aspergers kid who sits with all the other aspergers kids at lunch, consequently talking about anime.

dey'r weeerd

  • 01.01.2013 6:30 PM PDT

If I drank that much coffee I would cry decaf.

You women gamers sure like to talk, geez.

  • 01.01.2013 6:31 PM PDT

Don't LOL if you aren't L'inOL.

Halo: Reach
Halo 3
Halo ODST

Posted by: Devastation182
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Female gamers are not actually rare - I believe estimates run as high as 50% of gamers being women


Which would be completely incorrect...

Nope

  • 01.01.2013 6:31 PM PDT

In a private group I am in, there have been a few girl members. Most of them were cool because they actually added discussion value and different thoughts on topics. Those girls are fine. They are participating because they actually want to be a part of the group. The girls who are annoying purposefully draw attention to their gender. I, and the other members of the group, do not give a crap if you are different than other people. We call people out on it if they point it out and draw attention because of it.

You can distinguish people by their thoughts and posts, it doesnt matter who they are behind the keyboard.

and you are one of the annoying females online who bring attention to their gender. You make many threads about being female. Please stop.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 6:32 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2013 6:31 PM PDT

There's a forum I visit (whose name I'm not mentioning because The Flood doesn't need to go to it) in which the poster's gender almost literally couldn't matter less. It's peaceful and open and every other good thing. It's a rarity on the internet.

Due to the prevalence of professional victims online both male and female, don't expect any posts like this to end well, but I agree that The Flood needs to learn some goddamn manners.

  • 01.01.2013 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: halomaster10144

Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: halomaster10144
just the fgt group that is tfs

>Still made a thread with his alt in the group.

lolGGhalomaster.


that's... what... i just said

I wish I was as smart as you, 'bwah

>Calls it a retarded group multiple times
>Joins twice
>Joins again with an alt
>leaves yet again because the group is retarded
>still posts


I joined, with this account, only once, and that was a long time ago. Then, I said I was quitting the site (which I half did, I don't post nearly as much as I used to), but didn't actually go all the way through with it. Then I made the alt, because I hated this name. I didn't dodge groups with it, though. Then I quit TFS with this account, but never ended up leaving with the alt (because, quite frankly, i don't care enough to). Then I came back and dropped off the news.

  • 01.01.2013 6:32 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I can't help but keep tripping over the term "commodification" as if the issue is that women online is a "commodity".

If so, who is selling and who is buying and isn't that sort of exchange demeaning and another name for prostitution?

Or are women refusing to be commodified? Which is hard to balance with an idea of "I am someone of value and deserve specific consideration".

  • 01.01.2013 6:32 PM PDT

I haven't met much girls on Halo 4.

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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
And the stupidest post ITT goes to:Posted by: halomaster10144
Girls who play games are pretty much the equivalent to that aspergers kid who sits with all the other aspergers kids at lunch, consequently talking about anime.

dey'r weeerd


Excellent retort, Sunny.

  • 01.01.2013 6:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shaka Sangoma
Posted by: A goon

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
estimates run as high as 50% of gamers being women
Bull-blam!-
It's 47% here

Educate yourself, son
I mean, I guess if you include smartphones. To be honest I wasn't even considering people who play Angry Birds a couple times to be gamers. That's probably why I couldn't believe it.

  • 01.01.2013 6:33 PM PDT
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Question: Does "gamer" include people who play social games such as angry birds?

I just find it difficult to believe that anything close to 50% of "hardcore" gamers that play games like Halo are female. I know 3 or 4 "hardcore" female gamers IRL, but more than 100 "hardcore" male gamers IRL. I doubt that even IRL girls hide their liking for video games.

  • 01.01.2013 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

do they really deserve a huge part of their identities to be used as a kind of online barter chip, just because they happen to be girls who like games


I don't believe they should. Gamers are gamers and everyone should be treated as such but since there are so many silly guys out there who gawk at females who game to either hook up with them or just feel like they are 'with her' we have a bunch of stupid guys running around online.

The best place to see this and facepalm daily is on twitch.tv. I am a live stream broadcaster myself. There are so many great streams out there that guys do. They have quality presentation, custom made graphics, and high quality streams. Then there are some chicks who stream and all because she is a girl she will get 20x more viewers. Even though she sucks at whatever said game is being played, has a subpar stream quality (that mind you guys complain about when they are on other streams lol), and most annoying of all has a chat video to show off how pretty they are. Then we have the guys who have better quality and are getting jack.

Now thats not always the case of course. There are always exceptions to this. I follow quite a few female gamers on twitch who do have great quality and deserve the views they get but the ratio of undeserving to deserving is very skewed. I've seen it plenty of times where undeserving streamers are getting too many viewers because a bunch of perverted guys are gawking at her in the cam rather than actually watching a good broadcaster.

To each his / her own I guess but if people actually treated gamers as simply gamers and focused more on a players skill at said game instead of gender we wouldn't have this unicorn female gamer myth about girls who game.

  • 01.01.2013 6:33 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

Posted by: halomaster10144
Then I came back and dropped off the news.

>Picks stances based on his own benefits.

  • 01.01.2013 6:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

Why are you so sexist, Jay? Why can't I insult everyone equally, why should the females get special treatment?

  • 01.01.2013 6:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: halomaster10144
Then I came back and dropped off the news.

>Picks stances based on his own benefits.


lolwut

edit: Oh, the abortion thing? Yeah, I know.

[Edited on 01.01.2013 6:34 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2013 6:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Aang the Avatar

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Aang the Avatar

The fact that you spent so much time posting something so long shows you reacted to all the recent threads and posts negatively.

Why don't you acknowledge the rest of my post? You do know you're just adding to the fire with this thread right?
Or that I react to things thoughtfully. I realise you may find that a foreign concept.

Believe it or not, some people like having discussions with a little thought and consideration. People are constantly telling me these kinds of discussions can be found on the mains. You are doing as much as you can to prove them wrong, it seems.

I think anyone who reacts to this post by going out of their way to harass women was always going to do it. They were just looking for an excuse. Own your bad actions, won't you? You were always a troll. You didn't need my help or anyone else's.


Hilarious how you're so eager to insult me and call me a troll? How am I a troll exactly? The reason I don't want to have a discussion with you now is because you're getting so eager to insult me, and you're posting with an air of smugness and with a condescending tone.
Well, you come into all of my threads complaining that I'm not banned, whatever they are. That's a pretty big hint.

I'm going to get dinner, but you can continue to run around in circles chasing your tail if you like. I really have no interest in engaging with this kind of bad behaviour in what was meant to be a serious thread, sorry.


I complained about you not getting banned because of your absolutely ridiculous thread of you video answering questions on the Flood. A thread that was made purely for you to attention whore angered me, because I despise attention whores. I apologize if it seemed like I was "trolling".

  • 01.01.2013 6:35 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

Posted by: halomaster10144

Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
And the stupidest post ITT goes to:Posted by: halomaster10144
Girls who play games are pretty much the equivalent to that aspergers kid who sits with all the other aspergers kids at lunch, consequently talking about anime.

dey'r weeerd


Excellent retort, Sunny.

You're narrow-minded as -blam!-, it's just like your stance with Anime.

All your opinions are based on what goes around you.

  • 01.01.2013 6:35 PM PDT

Roll tide

Posted by: darthnazgul
Posted by: Mike_Bson
Posted by: darthnazgul
See the rapist.
I don't like rap.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Flavor
The girls who are annoying purposefully draw attention to their gender.
Have you ever considered the idea that their gender draws attention because people let it draw attention?

  • 01.01.2013 6:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
.... Just a thought.

*wipes soda off of monitor*

  • 01.01.2013 6:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: halomaster10144

Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
And the stupidest post ITT goes to:Posted by: halomaster10144
Girls who play games are pretty much the equivalent to that aspergers kid who sits with all the other aspergers kids at lunch, consequently talking about anime.

dey'r weeerd


Excellent retort, Sunny.

You're narrow-minded as -blam!-, it's just like your stance with Anime.

All your opinions are based on what goes around you.


My opinion is narrow-minded because I take observations on what goes around me? (e.g. people who watching anime being weird as -blam!-)

lolk

  • 01.01.2013 6:36 PM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

I read the OP, but I'm not sure if I fully understand it. I do agree on most of the stuff however.

Once I had a girl talk -blam!- to me just because I'm a guy. It wasn't fun at all. I never approved of gender discrimination to begin with. I think that girls should be allowed to play the game just like any male gamer. They don't need the harassment or the excessive friend requests or even being asked out on dates simply because they are female. Same goes with the 'kitchen jokes.' Whoever came up with the whole kitchen crap needs to get punched in the face.

  • 01.01.2013 6:36 PM PDT