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Subject: US government biggest gun supplier to Mexican cartels
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"The single biggest supplier of firearms to the Mexican criminals is the US government through our sales to the military and the police," argues Robert Farago of the pro-gun online magazine The Truth about Guns. Those firearms are "fully-automatic assault rifles", says Mr Farago, which "then seep to the cartels.

In a botched sting operation by the ATF called Fast and Furious, US authorities lost track of some 1,400 weapons they were hoping would to lead them to drug kingpins. Instead the guns simply ended up arming Mexican gangs, particularly the Sinaloa Cartel.

"Fast and Furious" weapons have turned up in violent crime scenes across Mexico.


So this is pretty interesting, instead of going to the black market (Still a lot do in mexico)they get weapons from the US government.

You can claim the borders are rubbish but when these agencies are allowing these transactions how are you supposed to prevent it from happening?

Just saw this and I laughed

Tighter US gun laws, he says, would immediately help to curb the illegal traffic of so many bullets and weapons into Mexico.

Needless to say, US gun enthusiasts vehemently disagree.

"It's absolutely laughable," says Robert Farago of the senator's argument.

"If anything, Mexicans should be copying our gun laws and Second Amendment rights. What Mexicans need are more magazines, more guns, more bullets in the hands of law-abiding citizens."


[Edited on 01.02.2013 6:39 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2013 6:37 AM PDT

GOAT

oh boy.. -blam!- storm ahead


oh wait, I forgot. The cartels are the most overlooked border problems in the history of our world.

[Edited on 01.02.2013 6:39 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2013 6:38 AM PDT
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Foman is my favorite moderator. <3

"through our sales to military and police"

So it is our fault weapons sold to the Mexican government end up in the wrong hands?

I'm ignoring Fast and Furious for a moment because that was a sting gone bad, and it is not the norm.

  • 01.02.2013 6:38 AM PDT

A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

And from FOX, two phantoms were born.

Better call Saul.

  • 01.02.2013 6:39 AM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

It's because of politics. We arm their police and military, hoping they get their act together. Then, they go off and join the cartel because it pays much better, and is actually safer for them.

  • 01.02.2013 6:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: A Good Troll
"through our sales to military and police"

So it is our fault weapons sold to the Mexican government end up in the wrong hands?

I'm ignoring Fast and Furious for a moment because that was a sting gone bad, and it is not the norm.
Don't forget the private sales of military grade weapons and ammunition.

  • 01.02.2013 6:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: A Good Troll
"through our sales to military and police"

So it is our fault weapons sold to the Mexican government end up in the wrong hands?

I'm ignoring Fast and Furious for a moment because that was a sting gone bad, and it is not the norm.
Don't forget the private sales of military grade weapons and ammunition.
Sure, ok. But your topic isn't about private sales.

  • 01.02.2013 6:46 AM PDT

RIP Logan ~B.B.

Considering cartels are estimated to be in the tens to hundreds of thousands of members, and are armed to the teeth, I highly doubt 1,400 guns used in a sting constitutes "single biggest supplier of guns". I don't see that anywhere in your linked source, and I'd also point out that your linked source uses a question as a headline, which is a sign of a sensationalist piece, not an informative one.

  • 01.02.2013 6:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
Considering cartels are estimated to be in the tens to hundreds of thousands of members, and are armed to the teeth, I highly doubt 1,400 guns used in a sting constitutes "single biggest supplier of guns". I don't see that anywhere in your linked source, and I'd also point out that your linked source uses a question as a headline, which is a sign of a sensationalist piece, not an informative one.
You can't find the quote? 1 I quoted it, 2 check under the 2nd sub heading of fast and furious, 1st paragraph.

  • 01.02.2013 6:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Android Spartan

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
Considering cartels are estimated to be in the tens to hundreds of thousands of members, and are armed to the teeth, I highly doubt 1,400 guns used in a sting constitutes "single biggest supplier of guns". I don't see that anywhere in your linked source, and I'd also point out that your linked source uses a question as a headline, which is a sign of a sensationalist piece, not an informative one.
You can't find the quote? 1 I quoted it, 2 check under the 2nd sub heading of fast and furious, 1st paragraph.

It says the US government is the #1 weapon supplier to the military and police, not the criminals. Derp.

[Edited on 01.02.2013 6:57 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2013 6:55 AM PDT