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Subject: Halo 4 - "People can't except change"

I think it's hopelessly naive to assume your favorite game franchise--scratch that, favorite shooter franchise--would remain the same throughout its life. That's just not how the world works. Franchise's change as anything does in a competitive market. It's stupid to get too attatched to one idea over another because that one idea may not be lasting for a very long time.

Halo had it's run as king of shooters for almost a decade. CoD took over, demands changed, and Halo had to change with it. Halo vets might not like it--being one myself I can tell you I at least don't mind it because Halo 4 still fundamentally plays like a Halo game--but sometimes people just have to grow up and face facts that nothing is being made specifically for them individually. Sometimes you have to compromise a little and have fun in new ways.

  • 01.02.2013 9:16 AM PDT

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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"
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"People can't except change"

  • 01.02.2013 9:19 AM PDT

Posted by: X El BaZzA X
change for the sake of change is bad. good change which fixes the problems with the initial product, however, is good.

change on its own is not good. good change is good.

if only game developers could understand this. if they have a good product, they need to listen to how to make it better by tweaking what they already have, not go and start something entirely different.
This.

  • 01.02.2013 9:21 AM PDT

Developers have to make games that appeal to both them and their fans. If they just wanted to make a game that only they wanted to play, they should just spend their entire profit to make the best game ever in their opinion and go under after it's released.

Developers are still a business, no matter how many gamers they hire.

Posted by: Dragonzzilla
Does anyone care what the developers want? They're fans just as much as we are if not more.

  • 01.02.2013 9:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: X El BaZzA X
change for the sake of change is bad. good change which fixes the problems with the initial product, however, is good.

change on its own is not good. good change is good.

if only game publishers could understand this. if they have a good product, they need to listen to how to make it better by tweaking what they already have, not go and start something entirely different.
This.
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  • 01.02.2013 9:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: X El BaZzA X
change for the sake of change is bad. good change which fixes the problems with the initial product, however, is good.

change on its own is not good. good change is good.

if only game developers could understand this. if they have a good product, they need to listen to how to make it better by tweaking what they already have, not go and start something entirely different.
This. I am all for change that fixes problems or makes the game play better.

  • 01.02.2013 9:24 AM PDT

Halo 4's Changed and I still like it maybe not praising bugnie as gods of game making has something to do with it.

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  • 01.02.2013 9:25 AM PDT
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343 changing for the sake of change:

-making the Hog sound like a lawnmower
-making the Covenant scoped guns have that ugly green zoom
-making Covie supply cases slippery and egg-shaped
-making Covie lookout towers have barely any roaming space (so it's easy to get stuck up there, an easy target)
-making the Covie lookout tower's lower section have a grav lift effect just like the top piece
-making Covie lookout tower's top piece so freaking heavy
-making the Covie comm node heavier
-making big UNSC crates become a bunch of small boxes after taking enough hits
-making small UNSC boxes lose their lid
-using green color for the new Covenant when Separatists are already using that

And these are just personal gripes:

-why the hell can we not move the Shade with at least a Wraith? Because it's just a reskinned H3/ODST/Reach Shade. It only looks like the one in CE. :/

-making rocks super realistic yet having absurd hitboxes making it virtually impossible to get a vehicle past them

-the Ghost has fail traction compared to the one in Halo 2. The Hog has fail traction compared to the one in CE. These dumb vehicles can't scale cliffs very well...

-this has bothered me since Halo 2. Why the -blam!- can't the Hog bounce against walls? What's so fun about driving into walls and ending up stuck against one?

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  • 01.02.2013 9:49 AM PDT
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You have to accept it because your only other option is not playing the game. You can argue all day that there shouldn't have been these changes. I'm not going to state whether I agree or not but the bottom line is it happened. So you can either move on or accept it.

  • 01.02.2013 9:55 AM PDT
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Its funny because Halo 4 isn't changing into something new. Its changing into CoD.

  • 01.02.2013 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: brandorobot
You have to accept it because your only other option is not playing the game. You can argue all day that there shouldn't have been these changes. I'm not going to state whether I agree or not but the bottom line is it happened. So you can either move on or accept it.
If we don't complain then 343 will think everyone likes their game. That's a terrible way of looking at this situation.

  • 01.02.2013 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


Posted by: ImOnTheDole
I'm all for changes to improve the game, it's when people start doing change for the sake of change and end up making the game worse that you either need to just stick to the tried and tested formula or stop making sequels.

  • 01.02.2013 10:05 AM PDT

Stop banning me please.

First of all. Map control is stupid. "ohhh lets let whoever gets to the power weapons first win because everyone starts with puny AR's and they can't defend themselves unless they spawn or pick up a BR."

They went over board with the run speed and the excessive perks.

  • 01.02.2013 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImOnTheDole
I'm all for changes to improve the game, it's when people start doing change for the sake of change and end up making the game worse that you either need to just stick to the tried and tested formula or stop making sequels.

I was very dissapointed with the new weapon sounds for some weapons and their design.

  • 01.02.2013 10:10 AM PDT

The Halo formula hasn't changed at all. 343 just added new stuff in addition to what was. Because Halo isn't about copying and pasting previous titles like half of you want.

Also I laugh at your title.

  • 01.02.2013 10:10 AM PDT
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  • 01.02.2013 10:12 AM PDT

I like Halo because everyone starts equal. This was a core mechanic in all Halo games, WHY was it changed???



Edit: Its kind of stupid that H4 did bad. No one liked load outs in Reach why were they not removed, it was easy to tell that certain things shouldn't of been changed yet they still were. But I knew to not get my hopes up and I didn't because I did with reach but I still played it for about 4-5 months. Lol I can honestly say I haven't played Halo 4 for more than 3 weeks, I stupidly paid for the limited edition as well.


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  • 01.02.2013 10:13 AM PDT
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The objective of war is not to die for your cause. It is to make your enemies die for theirs.

"People can't accept change" not "People can't except change"

  • 01.02.2013 10:14 AM PDT

Posted by: burritosenior
The Halo formula hasn't changed at all. 343 just added new stuff in addition to what was. Because Halo isn't about copying and pasting previous titles like half of you want.
A lot of the new stuff sucks though.

  • 01.02.2013 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


Posted by: burritosenior
The Halo formula hasn't changed at all. 343 just added new stuff in addition to what was. Because Halo isn't about copying and pasting previous titles like half of you want.

Also I laugh at your title.
You're wrong. It changed.

Adding new stuff changes it.

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Posted by: brandorobot
You have to accept it because your only other option is not playing the game. You can argue all day that there shouldn't have been these changes. I'm not going to state whether I agree or not but the bottom line is it happened. So you can either move on or accept it.
You forgot an option:

Use what's available to change it.

For MP, this'd mean Custom Games but that's deprived of options right now...

For Campaign, it means being creative and defying the developers.

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Posted by: brandorobot
You have to accept it because your only other option is not playing the game. You can argue all day that there shouldn't have been these changes. I'm not going to state whether I agree or not but the bottom line is it happened. So you can either move on or accept it.
If we don't complain then 343 will think everyone likes their game. That's a terrible way of looking at this situation.

Is it? Because it's realistic. If most people like their game they're not jumping through hoops for the vocal minority. Sorry.

  • 01.02.2013 10:17 AM PDT

-I was here

*accept

  • 01.02.2013 10:18 AM PDT

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Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"


Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Why should people have to change? That's what I'm trying to point out.

Because people have consistently asked for it? FPS fans are some of the worst in this regard, they want improvements but unless those improvements are to their (the individuals) exact liking then the game is garbage.

As much as it gets insulted for it, Activision is absolutely brilliant with how they handle COD. Selling what is fundamentally the same game year over year makes the most sense with how FPS fans work, and it shows in the sales. Bungie on the other hand, and now 343i, actually try to tweak and improve the overall formula and they deal with massive backlash. Some of it is positive, but the majority of it is quite negative.

Bottom line, if you like Halo then you ultimately will have to accept some change considering no two Halo games play exactly the same. Otherwise, feel free to stop playing.

  • 01.02.2013 10:18 AM PDT

Posted by: brandorobot
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Posted by: brandorobot
You have to accept it because your only other option is not playing the game. You can argue all day that there shouldn't have been these changes. I'm not going to state whether I agree or not but the bottom line is it happened. So you can either move on or accept it.
If we don't complain then 343 will think everyone likes their game. That's a terrible way of looking at this situation.

Is it? Because it's realistic. If most people like their game they're not jumping through hoops for the vocal minority. Sorry.
It doesn't matter if they're a vocal majority or a minority, if they're right, they're right. If you're intent on writing us off, write our ideas off directly, don't claim that we don't matter as a population without any sort of evidence to back yourself up.

  • 01.02.2013 10:21 AM PDT