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ive noticed that intel processors have Radeon in it already at the store. is it still good? ssince i heard so much trash talk on intel.

  • 07.07.2006 8:21 AM PDT
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Intel is good all-around, but AMD is better for desktop gaming.

  • 07.07.2006 8:22 AM PDT
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so if i want graphics, head for AMD?
iim thinking about an AMD and it comes with nVIDIA® GeForceā„¢ 6150 LE. im not sure its good, please tell me.

  • 07.07.2006 8:27 AM PDT
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Radeon? That's a chipset, not a processor.

The reason why everybody "hates" on Intel is because they've become the Microsoft of computer processors. Let me explain: the problem with Intel chipsets is that they don't manage processes as efficiently as AMD processors do. What this means is this: if given five tasks to complete, the Intel processor will manage them poorly and inefficiently, wherase the AMD processor will complete them efficiently and quickly. Therefore, raw clockspeed on an Intel is known to be higher than the actual performance output. Which explains how a 1.6 AMD can perform as well as a 2.

  • 07.07.2006 9:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: IceCreamMan3
so if i want graphics, head for AMD?
iim thinking about an AMD and it comes with nVIDIA® GeForceā„¢ 6150 LE. im not sure its good, please tell me.


The CPU has nothing to do with graphics. A faster CPU just speeds up the game.

And yeah, the 6150 sucks ass.

  • 07.07.2006 9:55 AM PDT
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Meh, it depends. In general, the CPU has nothing to do with graphics, but technically, it does...it wouldn't make too much sense to pair a top-of-the-line GPU with a crappy 1.4GHz CPU, since it would lead to a bottleneck.

But in general, he's right...the CPU has almost no bearing on the GPU.

  • 07.07.2006 10:08 AM PDT
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thanks for the update, but my real question was wether the AMD Athlon that i named on my topic is good enough to run halo with :
1.scope zoom is blurred
2.bulletholes are left
3.flashlight actually works.

unfortunately, i dont have these effects. same thing with cs, but its not the effects, its the actual game play. when i play CS does:

1.i can move smoothly and aim right, since i glitch
2. sound is glitching too, sort of like an echo.

so is my soon to be computer good enough to run it?

  • 07.07.2006 11:28 AM PDT
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"Glitching"? Wtf are you talking about? Are you referring to dips in framerate and/or lag?

  • 07.07.2006 11:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: IceCreamMan3
thanks for the update, but my real question was wether the AMD Athlon that i named on my topic is good enough to run halo with :
1.scope zoom is blurred
2.bulletholes are left
3.flashlight actually works.

unfortunately, i dont have these effects. same thing with cs, but its not the effects, its the actual game play. when i play CS does:

1.i can move smoothly and aim right, since i glitch
2. sound is glitching too, sort of like an echo.

so is my soon to be computer good enough to run it?


Um...we don't know. Firstoff, its the Graphics Processor Unit (the GPU) that controlls things like flashlight, bulletholes and scopezoom blur. You'll need to tell us what the GPU is before we tell you.

Second thing, the CPU, or Central Processing Unit, has little to no effect on the graphics, such as bulletholes, etc. However, if you want to make absolutely certain you won't bottleneck, just tell us the clockspeed of the processor.

Also, keep in mind that if you're getting a preassembled box, you don't need to worry about bottlenecking or anything, since it'll have been accounted for already.

  • 07.07.2006 11:52 AM PDT
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i cant explain it, but let me say it form the beginning.

when i pick a big map like de_dust, its wierd. ok, you know how when u play a game you expect it to move around and stop the crosshair where you wnat it to? you can just aim and fir and watch where your going and all that crap. but for my computer, the screen freezes for a sec and im somewhere else. and it freezes again and im somewhere else. this is only for CS, halo is smooth for me. someone help!

E D I T

oh! and yes i want to point out that when i facec the wall and all there is is the blank wall, i can play faster, but when my view switches to the building and down the street and stuff, it does that freezing crap again. in the eyes of my opponent in CS, after they kill me they ask why did i run past them with a knife and then stabbed at the air behind them. HELP


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  • 07.07.2006 11:53 AM PDT
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Ok IceCreamMan3, let me explain. Please read all of this, your getting confused and I would like to clear it up.


First of all, Intel processors are not related to radeon at all. These are two seperate parts. One processes just about every task and kinda is like a brain (an intel cpu), and the other processes the images to make the graphics (radeon, which is a line of cards from ATI. this is the graphics card. or radeon chipsets).

Second of all, you wont get better graphics from one processor to another brand (on the equal level). Say you have an amd 64 3200+ and intel p4 3.2ghz, they are just about equal. AMD's are generally better for gaming, but the processors preformance has nothing to do with how nice the picture looks (for the most part). When I say its better, I just mean it can handle the information its given faster. Its not like you'll get a clearer image or anything, it will just run slightly smoother. Between those two processors i mentioned, there really isnt much of a difference. It only becomes evident when your looking at high end CPU's such as the AMD fx line, or the intel extreme edition pentium 4's.

Finally when you say it comes with radeon, that means that particular computer comes with a radeon videocard, not the processor. It doesnt mean that that processor inside has anything to do with radeon, just that it has a radeon videocard. And no, not all AMD computers have nvidia cards. The manufacturer of the computer (sony, hp, compaq, and whatever other brands) decides which videocard to use. I have an AMD 64 3200+ in my other computer and I have an ATI videocard. My laptop has an intel t2500 core duo and it has an nvidia 7900GS videocard. Basically, videocards arent integrated into the processor

All a graphics card does is take the information that its given, and create the picture. Every single graphics card recieves the same information, but the only difference between all of them is how fast it can create the image. The faster it can do it, the higher framerate you will have. This is why high end cards are so nice. They dont necessarily have a better picture than a lower end card, it can just create the image way faster resulting in smoother gameplay.

If I were going to build a gaming machine I'd go with AMD. I'm not saying that intels suck, but for gaming AMD is usually the way to go.

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  • 07.07.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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Maw

Intel was one of the first "big" Microchip company. Mostly, the just have the big name.

  • 07.07.2006 12:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Ryukage
What? Play a game? FOR FUN???
This concept of fun confuses and infuriates me!

IMO, Intel aint good for squat. But hey, if it came with the computer you got for free, you live with it.
Not for long, but you do.

  • 07.07.2006 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

wait till the end of the month before you build/buy and get one based on the intel core 2 duo. It will be the fastest processor, all around, availible.

  • 07.07.2006 2:49 PM PDT
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Pentium D = Defective.
Pentium M = Malfunction.

"At least it's not defective"

  • 07.07.2006 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Bapa
Pentium D = Defective.
Pentium M = Malfunction.

"At least it's not defective"


yes the pentium D sucks, but the upcomming core 2 duo will be the fastest processor out.

  • 07.07.2006 4:13 PM PDT
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Intel was the the company that invented the micro prossesor as we know it. But sadly all the company is upping the herz in the prossesors. Making them over heat more and they use more energy. AMD upgrades the entire chips...from herz to chach to how much energy it uses. AMD is beter than intel...hands down

  • 07.07.2006 4:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Five Aces
Intel was the the company that invented the micro prossesor as we know it. But sadly all the company is upping the herz in the prossesors. Making them over heat more and they use more energy. AMD upgrades the entire chips...from herz to chach to how much energy it uses. AMD is beter than intel...hands down


herz? WTF are you people talking about? will you people keep yourselves up to date before making making reccomendations? core 2 duo look it up.

  • 07.07.2006 4:43 PM PDT
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i think he meant to say hertz as in gigahertz. (the frequency that the cpu runs at)


yea i looked back, he doesnt know how to spell. Its hertz and cache (cache is memory on the cpu).


Core 2 duo isnt even out yet. It will be good, but definately not as good as theyre making it out to be. Yes it should and probably will be better than AMD, but its not like your going to get a 30% increase in preformance.

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  • 07.07.2006 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: TMH1988
i think he meant to say hertz as in gigahertz. (the frequency that the cpu runs at)


yea i looked back, he doesnt know how to spell. Its hertz and cache (cache is memory on the cpu).


Core 2 duo isnt even out yet. It will be good, but definately not as good as theyre making it out to be. Yes it should and probably will be better than AMD, but its not like your going to get a 30% increase in preformance.


I know what cache is. Have you looked at any of the benchmarks people have done with engineering samples of core 2 duo? it's an average of a 20% increased over a simimlar clocked A64.

  • 07.07.2006 8:02 PM PDT
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really, I didnt know there were "simimilar" A64's. Haha just kidding man. And yea, they werent using the AM2 sockets. Core duos are better than the AM2's, but roughly 5-10% preformance increase at most. Yes I have seen benchmarks from several websites including tomshardware.

  • 07.07.2006 8:12 PM PDT

I think they're both great, it's that I see more heat issues with Intel than AMD's, but AMD in my sense has cases of randomly failing in certain tasks such as the Athlon X2's. Maybe it's me.

  • 07.08.2006 12:47 AM PDT