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Subject: Would you buy items from China, or your home country?

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Posted by: burritosenior
The cheaper one because I'm a typical, average consumer.


I had a choice similar to the OP example. I wanted shorty levers for my motorcycle. The ones that were CNC machined and sold here in the states $180.00 a piece. I got a pair of the exact same levers from china for $35.00 shipped to my door.

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Posted by: MadMax888
If they're the same quality, the Chinese one.

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Posted by: MadMax888
If they're the same quality, the Chinese one.


This, but chances are, they aren't the same quality

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Well I couldn't really afford to spen and extra $150 just because it was me in America. For other things like a video game or some sneakers I would be them American made.

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Posted by: xImNotProx
Buying foreign products leads to outsourcing. Outsourcing leads to the decease of American wages. The decrease of wages leads to a dependency on cheap foreign products.

It's a dangerous cycle that can't be allowed to continue.

Outsourcing leads to benefits to the American consumer - lower prices with a better product. You can't be a protectionist of industry - it doesn't do any good.

Workers change and evolve - industries come and go. It is bad practice to protect an inefficient product.

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Posted by: Kivell
I purposefully try and avoid Chinese made products in general. Call it a human rights stance.

You're right to acknowledge the often deplorable conditions many Chinese and workers around the world deal with. Were these people being forces into these jobs as slaves I too would change my stance and condemn these goods. But we have to remember these people are voluntarily entering these jobs. And if they are voluntarily entering these jobs that means they see the alternative as much worse.

It's an ugly reality that many workers deal with. We don't tend to talk about the alternative to that though which is even uglier.

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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Kivell
I purposefully try and avoid Chinese made products in general. Call it a human rights stance.

You're right to acknowledge the often deplorable conditions many Chinese and workers around the world deal with. Were these people being forces into these jobs as slaves I too would change my stance and condemn these goods. But we have to remember these people are voluntarily entering these jobs. And if they are voluntarily entering these jobs that means they see the alternative as much worse.

It's an ugly reality that many workers deal with. We don't tend to talk about the alternative to that though which is even uglier.


In addition, Chinese manufacturers do not have to adhere to strict enviromental standards that we in the US and EU have to which is the primary reason manufacturers move their production to China. They also purposfully keep the value of their dollar incredibly weak. A stronger currency would combat inflation by making foreign goods cheaper in China.

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Posted by: Kivell
In addition, Chinese manufacturers do not have to adhere to strict enviromental standards that we in the US and EU have to which is the primary reason manufacturers move their production to China. They also purposfully keep the value of their dollar incredibly weak. A stronger currency would combat inflation by making foreign goods cheaper in China.

Environmental standards are white noise. It's wages and productivity measured together, the infrastructure, political stability, quality of labor force. There's a lot measured that's often ignored.

The Chinese currency has been appreciating and wages increasing. With changing manufacturing to something heavily based in new age technology there is talk of a changing balance where a lot of that work ends up back in America.

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Britain is known for quality
lol Since when?
Since forever.

Seriously many countries will pay a high price for British goods due to quality ranging from meat's to clothes. Many Chinese come to the UK and go to the most expensive shops to get the best quality goods anywhere in the world.

  • 01.03.2013 12:34 PM PDT

Buy the cheaper one. You don't know if the parts were made in china. It could have just been assembled together in the U.S.

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Posted by: Vgnut117
The Chinese currency has been appreciating and wages increasing. With changing manufacturing to something heavily based in new age technology there is talk of a changing balance where a lot of that work ends up back in America.

Which is what you expect to see in a globalizing world.

Specialized and free trade brings everyone up - including the Chinese. Pressure on wages was expected and that is why you see the start of a manufacturing renaissance here in the US.

In the end, I want the best product for the money I can get. If a Chinese worker is more skilled, so be it.

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OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.

And if you're Chinese?

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I'm in America, it's all from china either way.

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Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
And if you're Chinese?

Well, then I guess you're kind of forced to vote for Chinese-made products lol.

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China. I don't feel like paying more for a small difference in quality.

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Not like the quality will be terrible anyway.

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Posted by: xImNotProx
Buying foreign products leads to outsourcing. Outsourcing leads to the decease of American wages. The decrease of wages leads to a dependency on cheap foreign products.

It's a dangerous cycle that can't be allowed to continue.

Outsourcing leads to benefits to the American consumer - lower prices with a better product. You can't be a protectionist of industry - it doesn't do any good.

Workers change and evolve - industries come and go. It is bad practice to protect an inefficient product.

I'd rather have jobs than lower prices.

People who lost their jobs in the manufacturing industry because of outsourcing end up having to get low wage service industry jobs. They also have to compete with recent college graduates and high school kids for those jobs. That leads to higher unemployment for basically everyone.

These people could get retrained or go to college, but that isn't viable in the real world. Paying for a decent college along with supporting a family is next to impossible. These people could go to a cheap college or a community college, but those schools may not be adequately accredited. Companies would also be more likely to hire someone who went to a great and expensive college.

Outsourcing also hurts the children of the laid off workers. They may not be getting a lot of money for college because their parents may have to pay to go to college themselves. They could get a job in the service industry, but they would have to compete with laid-off workers and other students.

College graduates are even having to resort to service industry jobs because the job market is so horrible. The loss in manufacturing jobs is causing more people to go to college. Bachelors degrees are basically the equivalent of a high school degree now because of the large amount of college graduates.

In the past college graduates were guaranteed a job, but now that's not the case. They end up having to get the same service industry jobs that laid-off workers and high school kids have to get.

In the past people could get great paying manufacturing jobs right out of high school, but that's not the case anymore. It's hurting everyone in the country in some way.

I don't think average workers or the ones who were laid off care about economic theories that support outsourcing. They care about jobs and being able to support their families.

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what ever is better. I am a capitalist, free market consumer.

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Posted by: xImNotProx
I'd rather have jobs than lower prices.

People who lost their jobs in the manufacturing industry because of outsourcing end up having to get low wage service industry jobs. They also have to compete with recent college graduates and high school kids for those jobs. That leads to higher unemployment for basically everyone.

These people could get retrained or go to college, but that isn't viable in the real world. Paying for a decent college along with supporting a family is next to impossible. These people could go to a cheap college or a community college, but those schools may not be adequately accredited. Companies would also be more likely to hire someone who went to a great and expensive college.

Outsourcing also hurts the children of the laid off workers. They may not be getting a lot of money for college because their parents may have to pay to go to college themselves. They could get a job in the service industry, but they would have to compete with laid-off workers and other students.

College graduates are even having to resort to service industry jobs because the job market is so horrible. The loss in manufacturing jobs is causing more people to go to college. Bachelors degrees are basically the equivalent of a high school degree now because of the large amount of college graduates.

In the past college graduates were guaranteed a job, but now that's not the case. They end up having to get the same service industry jobs that laid-off workers and high school kids have to get.

In the past people could get great paying manufacturing jobs right out of high school, but that's not the case anymore. It's hurting everyone in the country in some way.

I don't think average workers or the ones who were laid off care about economic theories that support outsourcing. They care about jobs and being able to support their families.

And what of the companies selling to global markets? When this argument comes up, and you are raising valid concerns, the benefits to domestic exporters to completely ignored.

Now as for those workers that lose their jobs because of outsourcing there are practical measures actually in play. One is that the loss of wages is made up for by the government. The other is retraining, which you seem to take issue with, does in fact work.

Like I said you're raising real problems. Your solution though is a feeble attempt to "go back to the way things were". I'm sorry but you're not doing that. It's not even outsourcing that's killing many manufacturing jobs it's changing technology. We are in the midst of what will be known as the third Industrial Revolution. What many countries need is adequate systems built on new ideas to train the workforce of tomorrow, not yesterday.

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Posted by: xImNotProx

That is the fault of the inflexibility of the worker, not the system.

But say we follow your plan. We slap a 50% tarriff on Chinese products and those jobs come back to the United States. Maybe that magically creates five million jobs that people are magically qualified for even though US companies complain about a lack of an educated manufacturing labor force here in the US and the unemployment rate is almost halved. We're back at a relatively normal and healthy 5% unemployment.

What does that mean for the other 150 million workers? Their pay doesn't vastly increase, though you might see a marginal trickle down of demand from these newly minted manufacturing workers, because remember you've only created 3% more employment - but now they're paying out the ass for all these US manufactured products. Clothes, televisions, towels, toys, bedsheets, cars, everything costs more.

You've dropped the standard of living and purchasing power for 150 million workers for the benefit of five million. That doesn't make logical sense to anyone but the beneficiaries of that move.

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Posted by: A Good Troll
You've dropped the standard of living and purchasing power for 150 million workers for the benefit of five million. That doesn't make logical sense to anyone but the beneficiaries of that move.

The tax code would obviously need to be changed so that companies wouldn't have to charge as much for their products. Once the tax code gets changed the 150 million others should be able to afford the American made products.

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Posted by: xImNotProx

Posted by: A Good Troll
You've dropped the standard of living and purchasing power for 150 million workers for the benefit of five million. That doesn't make logical sense to anyone but the beneficiaries of that move.

The tax code would obviously need to be changed so that companies wouldn't have to charge as much for their products. Once the tax code gets changed the 150 million others should be able to afford the American made products.

At least we can agree that US corporate effective tax rates are far too high.

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Posted by: Vgnut117

And what of the companies selling to global markets? When this argument comes up, and you are raising valid concerns, the benefits to domestic exporters to completely ignored.

When I talk about outsourcing it's about outsourcing to low-wage countries with low standards of living. Companies that export to countries that are similar in terms of standards of living shouldn't be punished. We also shouldn't punish companies that import from countries with similar standards of living. We are actually able to be competitive with those countries.

The problem would only be with companies that export stuff to low wage countries. It wouldn't really be a big problem because if Americans allegedly can't afford US made goods, then people living in low-wage countries wouldn't be able to afford them either.

Posted by: Vgnut117
Now as for those workers that lose their jobs because of outsourcing there are practical measures actually in play. One is that the loss of wages is made up for by the government. The other is retraining, which you seem to take issue with, does in fact work.

Job training and retraining programs have been cut in recent years, so they aren't becoming as viable as they used to.

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