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Subject: Hiroshima AND Nagasaki?
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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
Posted by: Baph117
Canadian Na­zism is a polite ideology, ok?
"Into the boxcar now... there you go. Oh, watch your head. Here, let me help you... Yep, showers are right through there. No problem at all."

Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, right. So let's hear your warped version of the "truth".
That the dropping of the atomic bombs was the only rational way to end the war, because it preserved the greatest amount of life when compared to the alternative of a traditional invasion. That this wasn't an act of terrorism, but one of war, and that American planes dropped flyers that warned Japanese civilians of the impending drops days prior to the actual bombing. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military industrial centers in addition to civilian population centers. That the ruling class of Japan at the time could not be viewed as a rational agent by any reasonable person, and that when dealing with people who are willing to embrace complete destruction over surrender, you need to show them that you are perfectly capable of fulfilling that desire.

Anyone who doesn't realize the necessity of the bombings is either ignorant, or a coward who is unwilling to face the truth.

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Nope. America just like killing innocents. They have gifted this mentality on to their bastard son Israel.

  • 01.03.2013 1:32 PM PDT

It was necessary, the Japanese got our warning.

  • 01.03.2013 1:33 PM PDT

Bombing the soilders and the bases one thing but nuking innocent lives is disgusting and unhumane. Even if they from a another country theyhad nothing to do with the war that was created by some people sitting in thier comfy chairs.

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Posted by: xXFinal JewelXx
Bombing the soilders and the bases one thing but nuking innocent lives is disgusting and unhumane. Even if they from a another country theyhad nothing to do with the war that was created by some people sitting in thier comfy chairs.


Please just stop, you have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand the circumstances.

  • 01.03.2013 1:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Make117
The first one wasn't necessary either.


We could have invaded the country and have more causalities on both sides.

  • 01.03.2013 1:34 PM PDT

Israel doing the same bombing innocent children in,palestine but when kids get shot down which is disgusting too in america. They make a speech for it.

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~Thread-killer~

Yup.

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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
Posted by: Baph117
Canadian Na­zism is a polite ideology, ok?
"Into the boxcar now... there you go. Oh, watch your head. Here, let me help you... Yep, showers are right through there. No problem at all."


Posted by: Thunderjam0
You just can't act like the good guys and start nuking civilians. I don't understand how people can justify the nukes, but are opposed to the events of 9/11.

Because they're basically the same: terrorism.
The nukes were military strikes against military targets that had purposefully been built in civilian population centers (sort of like how Hamas launches rockets from densely populated neighborhoods, then yells at Israel for causing civilian casualties). And, like Israel does today before striking back against Hamas, the Americans warned the Japanese civilians in those cities days before the bombs were dropped.

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Posted by: Baph117
Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, right. So let's hear your warped version of the "truth".
That the dropping of the atomic bombs was the only rational way to end the war, because it preserved the greatest amount of life when compared to the alternative of a traditional invasion. That this wasn't an act of terrorism, but one of war, and that American planes dropped flyers that warned Japanese civilians of the impending drops days prior to the actual bombing. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military industrial centers in addition to civilian population centers. That the ruling class of Japan at the time could not be viewed as a rational agent by any reasonable person, and that when dealing with people who are willing to embrace complete destruction over surrender, you need to show them that you are perfectly capable of fulfilling that desire.

Anyone who doesn't realize the necessity of the bombings is either ignorant, or a coward who is unwilling to face the truth.


Well said.

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Posted by: Opt1mu5Pr1m3 15
They refused to stop fighting. So yes. It was necessary. Which was very unfortunate.

We actually would have lost more lives if we didn't drop the bombs. More soldiers would have been lost than the civilians that were killed in the bombs.


This, OP.

  • 01.03.2013 1:36 PM PDT

People are treating this as if it was the same as bombing Manhattan in the present day. War was pretty -blam!- heavy back then, with all-out offensives on foreign soil, not just a group of soldiers quietly decimating a small village in the middle of nowhere like it is in a call of duty game.

The atomic bombing of the two japanese cities was necessary in that it not only forced the Japanese (or at least majorly contributed) to surrender, it also psychologically affected their entire country into seeing that no.. you cannot simply fight to the death and expect to win.

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Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Make117
The first one wasn't necessary either.


We could have invaded the country and have more causalities on both sides.


At least some Americans would have died then.

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War isn't pretty, things happen, as unfortunate as that may be. There is no need to argue about the morals of something that happened during World War 2.

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Posted by: Baph117
Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, right. So let's hear your warped version of the "truth".
That the dropping of the atomic bombs was the only rational way to end the war, because it preserved the greatest amount of life when compared to the alternative of a traditional invasion. That this wasn't an act of terrorism, but one of war, and that American planes dropped flyers that warned Japanese civilians of the impending drops days prior to the actual bombing. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military industrial centers in addition to civilian population centers. That the ruling class of Japan at the time could not be viewed as a rational agent by any reasonable person, and that when dealing with people who are willing to embrace complete destruction over surrender, you need to show them that you are perfectly capable of fulfilling that desire.

Anyone who doesn't realize the necessity of the bombings is either ignorant, or a coward who is unwilling to face the truth.
Okay, so what you're saying is...in war, no matter what, it's completely acceptable to drop 2 Atomic bombs on another country's women and children so long as they get Flyers. I'm done arguing with you here.

[Edited on 01.03.2013 1:38 PM PST]

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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
Posted by: Baph117
Canadian Na­zism is a polite ideology, ok?
"Into the boxcar now... there you go. Oh, watch your head. Here, let me help you... Yep, showers are right through there. No problem at all."


Posted by: xXFinal JewelXx
Israel doing the same bombing innocent children in,palestine but when kids get shot down which is disgusting too in america. They make a speech for it.
You realize that Hamas purposefully launches rockets into Israel from populated civilian neighborhoods in order to instigate Israel into causing civilian casualties, right? As in, the Palestinian leadership wants Palestinians to die.

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Posted by: RedXRulez

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Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, right. So let's hear your warped version of the "truth".
That the dropping of the atomic bombs was the only rational way to end the war, because it preserved the greatest amount of life when compared to the alternative of a traditional invasion. That this wasn't an act of terrorism, but one of war, and that American planes dropped flyers that warned Japanese civilians of the impending drops days prior to the actual bombing. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military industrial centers in addition to civilian population centers. That the ruling class of Japan at the time could not be viewed as a rational agent by any reasonable person, and that when dealing with people who are willing to embrace complete destruction over surrender, you need to show them that you are perfectly capable of fulfilling that desire.

Anyone who doesn't realize the necessity of the bombings is either ignorant, or a coward who is unwilling to face the truth.
Okay, so what you're saying is...in war, no matter what, it's completely acceptable to drop 2 Atomic bombs on another country's women and children. I'm done arguing with you here.


Do you understand anything that happened in World War 2?

That is a damn good answer and you just lay everything he said aside except for the fact civilians were killed.

Everything he said about the invasion casualties is true and if it did occur it would have been 100's of times worse then the bombs. Stop being ignorant.

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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
Posted by: Baph117
Canadian Na­zism is a polite ideology, ok?
"Into the boxcar now... there you go. Oh, watch your head. Here, let me help you... Yep, showers are right through there. No problem at all."


Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, so what you're saying is...in war, no matter what, it's completely acceptable to drop 2 Atomic bombs on another country's women and children. I'm done arguing with you here.
lol

Please, if you can't handle having an actual, adult discussion about history, don't get involved in these threads. Leave it to the people with the intellectual integrity to talk about the facts, instead of appeals to emotion.

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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
Posted by: Baph117
Canadian Na­zism is a polite ideology, ok?
"Into the boxcar now... there you go. Oh, watch your head. Here, let me help you... Yep, showers are right through there. No problem at all."


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Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Make117
The first one wasn't necessary either.


We could have invaded the country and have more causalities on both sides.


At least some Americans would have died then.
Why is that relevant, or desirable?

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Posted by: Make117
The first one wasn't necessary either.


We could have invaded the country and have more causalities on both sides.


At least some Americans would have died then.
Why is that relevant, or desirable?
Isn't it obvious what he's doing?

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No. I'm saying it was necessarily.

So they didn't deserve to die, they just had to die? Makes sense.

Well deserving it and it being necessarily isn't actually the same, but if you want to put it that way, yes. They did deserve to die.

Tell that to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Posted by: Baph117

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Make117
The first one wasn't necessary either.


We could have invaded the country and have more causalities on both sides.


At least some Americans would have died then.
Why is that relevant, or desirable?


I just prefer Japanese people.

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Posted by: Baph117

Posted by: RedXRulez
Okay, so what you're saying is...in war, no matter what, it's completely acceptable to drop 2 Atomic bombs on another country's women and children. I'm done arguing with you here.
lol

Please, if you can't handle having an actual, adult discussion about history, don't get involved in these threads. Leave it to the people with the intellectual integrity to talk about the facts, instead of appeals to emotion.
Oh, okay. Sure. Since I can't apparently have any contrasting opinion with you. Did you honestly expect me to agree with you after your answer? Jesus, those Civilians were Innocent, were they not?

  • 01.03.2013 1:42 PM PDT

http://i.imgur.com/fsISj.png

You wait ages for one nuclear bombing...

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