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  • 01.04.2013 10:10 AM PDT

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Speaking of chuckles, let's all lol at IonicPaul, who makes friends with bugs to make up for his lack of human contact.

I'm going to be honest: I have nothing bad to say about carpet bans, probably just because I've never been caught up in one.

  • 01.04.2013 10:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54

Take your 3 day is wise, because I was going to hammer the account if you had PM'ed me from it.


So you are saying you would perma his normal account, if he appealed your offer? That doesnt seem fair at all, just say: Imma perma your main if I find out which one it is, or dont give him an offer at all.

OT: Banning 40 individual members is not doable, so a massive blanket ban is a neccesity.
3 days is still soft though, I got banned a week for asking people what they were gonna vote...

  • 01.04.2013 10:22 AM PDT

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  • 01.04.2013 10:49 AM PDT

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I kinda wish there were more carpet bans for people who post in shock site threads.

  • 01.04.2013 11:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So once again, stop laboring under the delusion that anyone will actually change their mind when they read your post about reporting and moving on. Though your intentions may be good, when you actually stop and take a moment to think about it, your post makes no sense and does no good.

On numerous occasions I've observed rule breaking threads contain a quick "report and move on," and then there are very few posts following it. So clearly, in some cases, while not all, it is a decently effective way of reminding people "Hey, don't respond, the OP is a troll," or "Hey, don't respond, the OP breaks the rules." It is absolutely ridiculous to ban people for even attempting to warn other users.
>implying that that post is the reason that people aren't posting in it.

Posted by: BlackHeavenSo because one member claims to have this happen to him, that means that it's the norm among the community? I don't think you know how the refuting of arguments works, because you've done no such thing.

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  • 01.04.2013 12:35 PM PDT
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Is it fair to ban people even if they were trying to stop the discussion? Just a thought.

Anyway, props to whoever dropped the bomb on the flood thread


Report and move on.

Even a "white knight" post moves the tread back to the top.


That "white knight" is taking one for the team, but I think they should be absolved or receive a much smaller ban compared to others.

  • 01.04.2013 12:43 PM PDT
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I agree with them.
If you're posting in a questionable thread, you're fully aware of your actions, what they could entail, and are therefore liable to whatever happens.
I won't deny it, because I know I'm not equally accountable for the odd display of 'forum copping', and I count myself as lucky to have not been at the mercy of a carpet ban in any of those situations, pick fights you can win and all that.

  • 01.04.2013 1:04 PM PDT
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  • 01.04.2013 1:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: zoobkillerninja
By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread.

I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it.


Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.

  • 01.04.2013 1:44 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: cameo_cream
Posted by: zoobkillerninja
By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread.

I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it.
Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.

Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox.

If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.

  • 01.04.2013 1:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: cameo_cream
Posted by: zoobkillerninja
By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread.

I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it.
Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.

Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox.

If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.

  • 01.04.2013 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
>implying that that post is the reason that people aren't posting in it.\

Gee, must be a coincidence I've observed numerous times.

  • 01.04.2013 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: WinyPit82
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
>implying that that post is the reason that people aren't posting in it.\

Gee, must be a coincidence I've observed numerous times.

It's not a coincidence. It's people not posting in a bad thread.

  • 01.04.2013 2:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: cameo_cream
Posted by: zoobkillerninja
By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread.

I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it.
Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.

Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox.

If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.


The only threads I've seen carpet banned are ones resulting in flame wars, or are totally derailed. Im no mod, but a thread being locked because of a flame war is understandable - Your inbox would get more clogged up from the 20+ bans you would give out and would result in far more whining than locking it. Unless people whining at you is your fetish Recon? :p

Banning people who caused and fueled the fire is understandable to a certain degree, but banning innocent bystanders in collecteral damage seems immensely unfair and makes some moderators look like waypoint ones...... And no mod wants to be catagorized like that, do they?

The analogy you made sounds like this to me-

A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it.
Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame.

Of course you will never please everybody.

  • 01.04.2013 6:07 PM PDT

A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

And from FOX, two phantoms were born.

Imagine if you accidentally posted in the thread, geniuinely by mistake.

You edit your post stating that it was an accident.

Is there any escape?

  • 01.04.2013 6:12 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.


Posted by: zoobkillerninja
By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread.

I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it.

  • 01.04.2013 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
The analogy you made sounds like this to me-

A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it.
Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame.

Of course you will never please everybody.
No, your analogy is not the same. Recon compared it to shoplifting and speeding. In this case the innocent bystanders might lurk but not post. Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself.

  • 01.04.2013 6:27 PM PDT
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Ye but it never showes in the report queue, so :\
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself.
And in every spam thread, where the OP gets banned and his posts censored, the rest of the members who were feeding the troll gets away with it.
It's like the moderators never even see the replies. Is that how the report queue works?

  • 01.04.2013 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posted by: cameo_cream
The analogy you made sounds like this to me-

A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it.
Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame.

Of course you will never please everybody.
No, your analogy is not the same. Recon compared it to shoplifting and speeding. In this case the innocent bystanders might lurk but not post. Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself.


I mean with threads that arent rule breaking, but they go completely off topic and become flame wars and sometimes result in a carpet ban. Some people may have been on topic and been charged so to speak.

  • 01.04.2013 8:04 PM PDT

Not a big fan of carpet bans. Every so often, a thread (that is no worse than many other threads that are simply locked with the OP banned) is carpet banned, catching a few users and doing nothing to deter others.

No punishment is effective unless it is applied consistently. Feel free to keep on telling yourself that carpet banning the occasional thread will do anything to stop the larger problem. Your thickheadedness isn't really hurting anything. But you're kidding yourself if you think it's helping to stop people from replying to spam threads.

The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".

  • 01.04.2013 8:24 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: coolmike699
The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".

In this case it was "Whoa! Look what happened while I was having dinner. 5 pages? Oh hell no! People should know better. I guess that I'll have to take off my belt."

And then my pants fell to my ankles, people laughed and pointed, and so, I banned them all.

Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.

  • 01.04.2013 8:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: coolmike699
The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".

In this case it was "Whoa! Look what happened while I was having dinner. 5 pages? Oh hell no! People should know better. I guess that I'll have to take off my belt."

And then my pants fell to my ankles, people laughed and pointed, and so, I banned them all.

Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.


Neither do carpet bans.

  • 01.04.2013 8:38 PM PDT