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Subject: Absolute Zero minus 10 degrees... wait, wut?

How is that possible?

  • 01.04.2013 9:13 AM PDT

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  • 01.04.2013 9:13 AM PDT

Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of our selves.

Apparently this is kind of a misleading title. Here is the explanation about it that Ive read:

" Everyone who is attempting to explain this is dancing around the issue that negative temperature on the Kelvin scale is absolutely not equal to "below zero energy." In fact, in this conformation the energy these particles are exposed to makes the temperature infinitely high, whereas the definition of Kelvin absolute zero is when nothing is moving because there's no -blam!- (classical) energy. It's still a completely theoretical state, because between the rotational and vibrational energy states, there will (tentatively) always be more microstates available than whichever single state a particle happens to be at." -RexAeneas

  • 01.04.2013 9:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: General Dripik
So why isn't the temperature of absolute zero just lowered to the new lowest possible temperature then?



A: They don't seem to know what the new temp is.
B: They may be able to continue lowering the temperature indefinitely, meaning there is no lower limit.

  • 01.04.2013 9:24 AM PDT
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  • 01.04.2013 9:36 AM PDT

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How does that even work

I mean, are things vibrating negatively?

  • 01.04.2013 9:38 AM PDT
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Hang on, hang on, I'm confuzzled. What quantum effect is this?

  • 01.04.2013 9:41 AM PDT

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Nope.

I think this dude is misreporting.

It's possible to have negative kelvin but still be warmer than absolute zero. This is because temperature is a measurement of the relationship between entropy and energy. Positive kelvin means that if you add energy, entropy increases. Negative kelvin means that if you add energy, entropy decreases.

  • 01.04.2013 10:00 AM PDT

Well science is a progression of theories, each one explaining the world slightly better than the last.

  • 01.04.2013 10:01 AM PDT

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As a complete layman (as in haven't been in a science classroom in over a decade) it makes sense.

Numbers have negatives to infinity, and math changes slightly in negatives.


So sure, there could be infinite cold theoretically, with infinite effects on atoms.

Although, once again, this is all rectal-extracted pontificating.

  • 01.04.2013 10:01 AM PDT

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Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Posted by: ImOnTheDole
It's possible to have less than zero energy? Call me skeptic, but I don't buy this. Wasn't it a year ago we thought we'd beat the speed of light, and realized it was a loose wire?
Yes.

OT: This is confusing. Would that gas of atoms have negative energy? Can they repeat the experiment for other elements? This breakthrough asked more questions than it solved.

  • 01.04.2013 10:06 AM PDT

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Misleading reporting.

It's like saying I can make water melt* below the freezing** point!

*In space.
**At sea level.

  • 01.04.2013 10:13 AM PDT

Generalizations.
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Everyone shut up and listen.

First, temperature is not a measure of atomic vibration. Your science teachers lied to you for sake of simplicity. The more accurate definition is the relationship between energy and entropy (randomness of a system).

Normally, adding energy to a system increases entropy; the atoms become more randomly distributed. Adding energy and increasing entropy = positive temperature.

HOWEVER, Some systems have a maximum limit to the energy they can hold. When you approach this limit, the systems actually start to LOSE entropy. Adding energy but decreasing in entropy = Negative temperature.

This system is still warmer than absolute zero. In fact, it is theoretically hotter than infinity.

[Edited on 01.04.2013 10:21 AM PST]

  • 01.04.2013 10:15 AM PDT
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That is really cool.

  • 01.04.2013 10:15 AM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

Mhm. Mhmmm. Yep. Yes. Uhuh.






I know some of these words.

  • 01.04.2013 10:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: Silentone2
Misleading reporting.

It's like saying I can make water melt* below the freezing** point!

*In space.
**At sea level.

  • 01.04.2013 10:18 AM PDT

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This actually makes me really nervous. Here scientists are forcing energy into even lower states of energy, and I start worrying that the false vacuum may actually exist...

  • 01.04.2013 10:19 AM PDT

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Wait, if somethings doing less than not moving, what the -blam!- is it doing?

  • 01.04.2013 10:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: SubtleSpartan
Wait, if somethings doing less than not moving, what the -blam!- is it doing?
Moonwalking.

  • 01.04.2013 10:21 AM PDT
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Nice. I wonder what this information can be used for.

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I really wish I had your wit Recon. you're a funny guy :)

[Edited on 01.04.2013 10:21 AM PST]

  • 01.04.2013 10:21 AM PDT

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This is too mind blowing. This is soul blowing!

  • 01.04.2013 10:22 AM PDT

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Woah, thats really cool. It opens up a whole new realm of scientific possibility to explore.

  • 01.04.2013 10:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImOnTheDole
It's possible to have less than zero energy? Call me skeptic, but I don't buy this. Wasn't it a year ago we thought we'd beat the speed of light, and realized it was a loose wire?
Yes.

OT: This is confusing. Would that gas of atoms have negative energy? Can they repeat the experiment for other elements? This breakthrough asked more questions than it solved.

I started basic calculus in maths recently and its given me an idea.
We can use calculus to work out the area between a line and the x axis (when said line is above the x-axis) but we can also use this same method to work out the area between x axis and the line when the line is below the x axis, however this answer comes out negative. Since you can't have negative area the are will in actual fact be positive but the integral will be negative.
Perhaps the same concept can be applied here, the energy measured isn't negative or 'negative energy,' it is in fact regular energy responding to some form of negative coefficient.

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  • 01.04.2013 10:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Everyone shut up and listen.

First, temperature is not a measure of atomic vibration. Your science teachers lied to you for sake of simplicity. The more accurate definition is the relationship between energy and entropy (randomness of a system).

Normally, adding energy to a system increases entropy; the atoms become more randomly distributed. Adding energy and increasing entropy = positive temperature.

HOWEVER, Some systems have a maximum limit to the energy they can hold. When you approach this limit, the systems actually start to LOSE entropy. Adding energy but decreasing in entropy = Negative temperature.

This system is still warmer than absolute zero. In fact, it is theoretically hotter than infinity.


Hmmm, I'm going with the thought that you heard this concept somewhere else and are simply assuming it applies here.

  • 01.04.2013 10:31 AM PDT
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It's not colder than absolute zero.

I'm going to try to explain it using the principle of lasers; the atoms/molecules that produce the laser will be in various energy states. They're mostly in a low energy state, where very few of the atoms/molecules will be in a high energy state. The laser adds energy to the system so that more atoms/molecules enter the high energy state. There is a limit here and at this point when you add more energy the entropy decreases. This is negative temperature.

In fact, if you bring the negative system in contact with the positive system, heat flows from the negative system into the positive system, so a system with negative temperature is hotter than a system with positive temperature.

I've done a bit of research and know some of the concepts but if someone who is more qualified can clear it up then please do so; I am only a student.

  • 01.04.2013 10:35 AM PDT