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Subject: Could terrorism be...a good thing?


Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: Godless Heathen
..or maybe an eye SOAR.

LIKE A PLANE.

GET IT?!

No.

Just no.

That was just plane wrong.



....what you did there.... I see it...

And It's usually wrong, but I can see where some people see it's merit (Terrorism not 9/11)

  • 01.04.2013 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Leopold789

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Of course. America did it...not specifically to incite fear, but militia attacks against an oppressive government have their place.
terrorism =/= guerrilla warfare

...... They're the same thing.

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Posted by: Telec
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The Tea party was an act of defiance (generally by smugglers) at best, not an act of terrorism.
It was a result of people smuggling Dutch tea not being happy that British tea was getting cheaper. If anything the Boston Tea Party was just expensive criminal vandalism.
It affected the export companies that bought tea off the East India Company to ship across the Atlantic and generally that was about it, unless you would categorise any criminal damage by those who were about to lose money as 'terrorist activity'.....
It may have been an attempt to terrorise by the smugglers, but it shouldn't be linked to the Revolutionary movement as an incident of terrorism.

  • 01.04.2013 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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1.21 giggawats!!


lol

  • 01.04.2013 3:36 PM PDT

as the blood of my enimes satin the earth and i await my next victim on the batel feild the voices of my fallen comrads echo in my head beconing me to join them i not sure im ready to....yet

So long as your not attacking innocent people, I'd think you'd want to go after government officials.

  • 01.04.2013 3:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Godless Heathen
At least it did some good, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]I don't think beautification of the NYC skyline was the terrorists' intent.


Doesn't matter what the intent is, that is not my point.
Actually, yes; the intent matters. As stated by the OP, could terrorism be beneficial to influencing change once peaceful measures are exhausted?

I don't think the terrorists petitioned NYC to take down the buildings.


Ummm... the Mid East has told America to get the **** out of their countries for decades. Did you really think that the attack on the Twin Towers was some out of the blue thing?

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Posted by: Scottus4

Posted by: Godless Heathen

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Godless Heathen
At least it did some good, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]I don't think beautification of the NYC skyline was the terrorists' intent.


Doesn't matter what the intent is, that is not my point.
Actually, yes; the intent matters. As stated by the OP, could terrorism be beneficial to influencing change once peaceful measures are exhausted?

I don't think the terrorists petitioned NYC to take down the buildings.


Ummm... the Mid East has told America to get the **** out of their countries for decades. Did you really think that the attack on the Twin Towers was some out of the blue thing?
No. I was just responding to his point about the WTC buildings being ugly.

  • 01.04.2013 3:40 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: King Leopold789

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Of course. America did it...not specifically to incite fear, but militia attacks against an oppressive government have their place.
terrorism =/= guerrilla warfare
True. But the rebels often used terrorist-esque tactics in the Revolutionary War.

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Terrorism is best defined as a method by which a person(s) utilizes or threatens the use of violence in order to subjugate a civilian population to fear for political, religious, or otherwise ideological purposes. Or, at the very least, that's my on the spot definition.

The question is a bit of a tricky one, but I'll attempt to answer. Generally, terrorism is used as a bully tactic designed to undermine a group that disagrees with or is currently suppressing your cause.

I would find it highly unethical in most instances, however, in very, very, very extreme cases, where one honestly believes this evil will lead to a less bloody victory, I would deem it acceptable.

  • 01.04.2013 3:42 PM PDT

Guerilla tactics used against military officers during a war is way different than killing innocent people during peace time to advocate a message.

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Posted by: Scottus4

Posted by: Godless Heathen

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Godless Heathen
At least it did some good, that's all I'm saying.[/quote]I don't think beautification of the NYC skyline was the terrorists' intent.


Doesn't matter what the intent is, that is not my point.
Actually, yes; the intent matters. As stated by the OP, could terrorism be beneficial to influencing change once peaceful measures are exhausted?

I don't think the terrorists petitioned NYC to take down the buildings.


Ummm... the Mid East has told America to get the **** out of their countries for decades. Did you really think that the attack on the Twin Towers was some out of the blue thing?


No, Iran has been telling us that for decades.

Iran does not equal the entirety of the Middle East. Fact is, we've been close allies and partners with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq (last 10 years), and Qatar for a long time.

  • 01.04.2013 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scottus4
Ummm... the Mid East has told America to get the **** out of their countries for decades.


Que?

America trained the group that created the Taliban. America has not been occupying Middle Eastern territory for decades.

  • 01.04.2013 3:45 PM PDT
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  • 01.04.2013 3:47 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.

[Edited on 01.04.2013 3:49 PM PST]

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.

  • 01.04.2013 3:52 PM PDT

Generalizations.
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Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


It may be justified, but it's never moral.

Killing 1 person to save 100 is justified, but still not moral.

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


It may be justified, but it's never moral.

Killing 1 person to save 100 is justified, but still not moral.


Moral

Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Obviously, in the hypothetical situation where there are two routes to victory (terrorism [less dead] and conventional [more dead]), the visibility of which choice is moral is quite clear.

[Edited on 01.04.2013 4:01 PM PST]

  • 01.04.2013 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


I'd take 100 dead military personnel over 1 civilian dead.

  • 01.04.2013 4:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


I'd take 100 dead military personnel over 1 civilian dead.


Nice to see someone who wouldn't have dropped the bomb.

  • 01.04.2013 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Leopold789
guerrilla warfare

Tell me what that is without googling it.

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Posted by: Scottus4

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


I'd take 100 dead military personnel over 1 civilian dead.


Nice to see someone who wouldn't have dropped the bomb.


Absolutely. Military people are there to sacrifice themselves it's their job if need be.

  • 01.04.2013 4:05 PM PDT

Ignore my gamertag. It's actually Dragonzzilla.

Terrorist is a name. Names are all subjective and based upon opinion, thus terrorists can be working toward freedom and liberty. But please, don't quote me on that or ban me for me saying that.

  • 01.04.2013 4:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
It may be justified, but it's never moral.

Killing 1 person to save 100 is justified, but still not moral.
Justified actions are moral actions.

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Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Scottus4

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence against a civilian population for political gains.

It's never OK to use violence against a civilian population.


I disagree, if it offers a less bloodier way to victory, I'd take it any day of the week.


I'd take 100 dead military personnel over 1 civilian dead.


Nice to see someone who wouldn't have dropped the bomb.


Absolutely. Military people are there to sacrifice themselves it's their job if need be.


Military people were civilians, meaning that a good portion of the dead that would have made up the invasion of Japan would have been civilians drafted to fight the war.

Moreover, more civilians would have died during the invasion.

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