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Subject: Leonidas fought with 5100 men, not 300.
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The army consisted of about 5100 men:

- 3.100 Peloponnesian allies
- 1.700 Thespians, Thebans, Phocians and Opuntians.
- 300 Spartans

Those 300 Spartans were not the personal royal bodyguard aka: hippeis nor were they all free citizens. Most of them were armed helots , thus slaves, promised freedom after their service to the king.

Leonidas lasted 3 days, but not with superiour phalanx tactics as Herodotus desribes. This is because there were too few real Spartiates and thus Leonidas' army wasn't capable of forming a decent phalanx at all. Most likely they faked retreats and killed their pursuers.

When Ephialtes, son of Eurydemus, a local denizen, showed the Persian king the path to flank Leonidas' army, Leonidas ordered the non Peloponnesian army to retreat. The Phocians, guarding the path, retreated on sight of the massive Persian legion approaching them. The remaining forces were shattered almost instantly and Xerxes was never harmed.

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  • 01.05.2013 2:33 AM PDT

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  • 01.05.2013 2:35 AM PDT

Really? I thought it was one thousand men but I could be wrong. Also please cite sources because if you do not then you become an -blam!-.

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That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Everyone on here was wetting themselves over it when it first came out...

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That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Everyone on here was wetting themselves over it when it first came out...


I loved it though. Why did you hate it so much?

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Posted by: EZ 1304
That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Everyone on here was wetting themselves over it when it first came out...
You must not have seen many movies

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Posted by: EZ 1304
That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
Everyone on here was wetting themselves over it when it first came out...


I'm still getting hard everytime I see that movie. It's one of my favourites actually.

  • 01.05.2013 2:43 AM PDT

Posted by: Koolen
Posted by: EZ 1304
That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
Everyone on here was wetting themselves over it when it first came out...


I'm still getting hard everytime I see that movie. It's one of my favourites actually.

It's not exactly emotional on a Lord of the Rings standard, but yeah, 300 did an excellent job of romanticising the Battle of Thermopylae, and has great emotional capacity if you actually understand the context of the battle. Which many do not, but oh well.

I knew man others came to the aid of the Spartans during the fight already, but I was under the impression it was indeed 300 Spartans who defended the pass? Spartan as in soldier trained from birth, and not slave. I remember Leonidas ordered everyone else to retreat and the Spartans stayed to buy them time, but didn't that battle also go for much longer than it should have? As in 300 against thousands would be over in an instant, but they pushed the battle on for hours or even all day.

And once Leonidas fell the battle went for even longer as the remaining Spartans fought over his body with the Persians time and time again.

Also don't forgot that the Battle of Thermopylae also took place at sea.

[Edited on 01.05.2013 2:55 AM PST]

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The 300 were actually famous for covering the 3 day withdrawal of all Greek Forces involved in the conflict.

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Posted by: Chupanebre627

300 did an excellent job of romanticising the Battle of Thermopylae, and has great emotional capacity if you actually understand the context of the battle. Which many do not, but oh well.


Indeed, thus it is one of my favourites. Historical inaccurate, but one hell of a movie. Just like gladiator :-)



Posted by: Chupanebre627

I knew man others came to the aid of the Spartans during the fight already, but I was under the impression it was indeed 300 Spartans who defended the pass? Spartan as in soldier trained from birth, and not slave.



Nope, the hippeis (300 knights special infantry) are originally the loyal bodyguard of the king, but they have become a special strike force at the ephores'disposal during the end of the 6th century. Although Spartan kings command the army, it's the ephores who decide how much Spartan soldiers are deployed in battle. Sending 300 Spartiates would mean sending 1/20th of their full citizen capacity, which is why they took willing armed Helots and Perioikoi with them.


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  • 01.05.2013 3:04 AM PDT

Allons-y!

May i ask where you acquired such knowledge?

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Posted by: AlmondJoy99
May i ask where you acquired such knowledge?


Ofcourse:

My main sources are:

C.W. Weber, Der Spartaner ( Berlin 1979)
M. Lipka, Xenophon's Spartan Constitution (Berlin 2002)
N. M. Kennell, Spartans: A New History
E. J. Brill, Supplements to Mnemosyne (Keulen 1987)

And I've taken the liberty of reading some of the passages form Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon themselves on different sites for ancient sources, translated because I'm incapable of reading ancient Greek.

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I forgot how much I loved history. I read that like it was candy.

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Yes, but Those 300 men blocked the pass at thermopylae by themselves for as long as they could.

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I am not too sure if i trust the OP. I thought it was 300 actual spartans with their allies. There is some lacking in the logic department for them not to have sent actual warriors to a very important battle.

[Edited on 01.05.2013 7:16 AM PST]

  • 01.05.2013 7:15 AM PDT

But all the other stuff from the movie is true right, like the Goat Headed Man, the guy with blades for arms, and rhinos?

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The 300 Spartans were the ones that allowed the other's to retreat. That's why the movie is called 300

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