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Subject: Agenda 21: UN's Globalization Plan

Posted by: BlazingAngel94
I have always loved the idea of walking cities, but give up my guns? No.

In any case, the United States will probably never (or anytime soon, at least) have walkable cities on the scale of places in Europe. We're already far too invested in an automobile-centric model of infrastructure, it'd simply be too costly to convert it to something that's completely foreign to us.

But we'll always have San Francisco and New York.

  • 01.06.2013 3:54 PM PDT

Brainwashing, idiotic media: "hur dur, vido gaems cas vilenc n iz nt gud. dey ned 2 b baned."

Logic: Really? Then please explain how there's violence in third world countries. I guess they're all poor due to the large amount of video games they buy.


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Posted by: BlazingAngel94
I have always loved the idea of walking cities, but give up my guns? No.

In any case, the United States will probably never (or anytime soon, at least) have walkable cities on the scale of places in Europe. We're already far too invested in an automobile-centric model of infrastructure, it'd simply be too costly to convert it to something that's completely foreign to us.

But we'll always have San Francisco and New York.


I wouldn't the U.S keep the automobile model of infrastructure out in the country but major population hubs be more like New York but people using green cars, bikes, and foot for transportation.

  • 01.06.2013 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlazingAngel94

Posted by: Satisfaxion
Posted by: BlazingAngel94
I have always loved the idea of walking cities, but give up my guns? No.

In any case, the United States will probably never (or anytime soon, at least) have walkable cities on the scale of places in Europe. We're already far too invested in an automobile-centric model of infrastructure, it'd simply be too costly to convert it to something that's completely foreign to us.

But we'll always have San Francisco and New York.


I wouldn't the U.S keep the automobile model of infrastructure out in the country but major population hubs be more like New York but people using green cars, bikes, and foot for transportation.


You are going to have a tough time convincing people to do that.

  • 01.06.2013 3:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zuuru

>Desires evidence
>Refuses to use Google

Ok.


You are probably the worst debater ever.

Ooh ooh, let me try one:

Agenda 21 conspiracy is a lie. Don't believe me? Google it.

Try harder.

Also, please refer to my edit in the OP to understand my personal position on these matters, since you seem to be so bent on thinking of me as far right, which is not the case, nor has it ever been.


I've never commented on your political beliefs. I have, however, pointed out that you are naive, foolish, gullible, ignorant, a poor debater, lazy, willfully deceitful, a liar, and in general just a silly person.

Naïve - No. As I said, while I don't believe it will ever happen, the fact that it exists is frightening.
Foolish - How?
Gullible - Hardly. Refer to naïve post.
Ignorant - Contextually, this makes no sense.
Poor Debater - I'm not here to debate or argue, I'm here to inform, and inspire people to be aware.
Lazy - Not even.
Willfully deceitful - I'm not even deceiving anyone. Nor am I trying to. I am making those weren't previously aware, aware.
Liar - No. Just no.
Silly - Ok.

Great job insulting me. Seriously though, I can respect your opinion, as it most likely does not differ from mine. I thank for your time.

  • 01.06.2013 3:59 PM PDT
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Everyone should read this book. Finished it in two days.

  • 01.06.2013 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zuuru
- Rely on bureaucracies for decision-making, not democracies.


Wow I should have opened this thread earlier it was a good read thanks OP. Now to move onto what I quoted, there is a saying that I quite like, can't remember who by, but it goes "The only thing that saves us from the Bureaucracy, is it's inefficiency" . At this moment in time, that saying is very true, but if this Agenda 21 gets going, then that clearly won't be the case.


Again, thanks for a good read OP.

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  • 01.06.2013 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: Zuuru
- Rely on bureaucracies for decision-making, not democracies.


Wow I should have opened this thread earlier it was a good read thanks OP. Now to move onto what I quoted, there is a saying that I quite like, can't remember who buy, but it goes "The only thing that saves us from the Bureaucracy, is it's inefficiency" . At this moment in time, that saying is very true, but if this Agenda 21 gets going, then that clearly won't be the case.


Again, thanks for a good read OP.


You seriously believe what he said without a shred of evidence to support it?

  • 01.06.2013 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: timothy pumpkin

Posted by: Zuuru
- Rely on bureaucracies for decision-making, not democracies.


Wow I should have opened this thread earlier it was a good read thanks OP. Now to move onto what I quoted, there is a saying that I quite like, can't remember who buy, but it goes "The only thing that saves us from the Bureaucracy, is it's inefficiency" . At this moment in time, that saying is very true, but if this Agenda 21 gets going, then that clearly won't be the case.


Again, thanks for a good read OP.


You seriously believe what he said without a shred of evidence to support it?


I'm reading a few ebooks on it now, seems pretty realistic to me.

  • 01.06.2013 4:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: timothy pumpkin
I'm reading a few ebooks on it now, seems pretty realistic to me.


You know anybody can get an ebook (or even a physical book) published, right?

  • 01.06.2013 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Do you Americans even include global geography as a subject in your education?

Tell me, objectively, the positives and negatives to a walking cities under the criteria of social, economic, environmental and political impacts. That's how they taught me to evaluate proposals in geography class and you damn well better learn how to do it yourself.

Same with bureaucracies, same with spending money on third world nations, same with increased national parks, same with all your points.


The Earth is not an infinite well of unlimited resources. If we don't get our -blam!- together and start acting in ways that will make it last, someday, in the far future, those resources are going to run out. And what then?

Is that a burden you want to put on your children? Your grandchildren? Your great grandchildren? Their great grandchildren?


Here's a word to mull over: Sustainability. Its definition:
Fulfilling the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to fulfil their needs.

Are we living in a sustainable world? Short answer: no.

Long answer: definitely no.

Let me give you an example: Australia. My country of residence and my country of expertise. Australia is not a sustainable society. We are using up our resources at an incredible rate, so much so that we are in fact an overcrowded nation. This continent is not able to support our current societal model, due to high consumption of resources.

But your country is so big! I hear you yell. 70% of the country is arid desert. It doesn't produce drinking water, food, resources, anything. It's a big bloody great expanse of absolutely -blam!- all. The water isn't drinkable, you can't graze animals on it, you can't grow crops on it. We mine what we find but eventually that will run out.

Due to poor farming practices of the past, we are running out of land to farm on. I'm sure you Americans are familiar with the 'dust bowl'? It's happening here. The large amounts of cattle are stomping up the dry earth, and when it rains, all that rich topsoil is washed away down the river. Without that topsoil, grass can't grow, and without that grass, cows can't eat.

Due to overuse of our main water catchments, we are running out of water. Farmers pull water out of the Murray River for irrigation. Grazers pull water out of the Murray River to water their livestock. Three capital cities, with up to five million people combined, not including the many hundred thousands living in the country side, have to drink that water every day. Not only that, but pesticides, poisons, and farming chemicals get washed into this same river during times of rain. The drinking water of five million people has to be filtered, cleaned, distilled and more to make it drinkable.

Adelaide, the capital city at the end of the Murray, is coincidentally notorious for its dirty foul tasting tap water.

WE'VE GOT SO MUCH CATTLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT OUR ECOSYSTEM IS DYING BECAUSE OF IT.

That is not the model of a sustainable society. -blam!- rabbits, introduced in the 1800s, have turned lush grassland that stretched for thousands of kilometres in to sandy desert. They ate all the grass, over competed the native species, and have caused ecological collapse all throughout south-east Australia.


So tell me, why is it that banning cars in urban areas is a bad thing?
Rezoning suburban sprawl into natural forest parks, why is that a disgusting idea?
Why is the concept of a walking city so abhorrent? Everything you would ever need would be in walking or train ride distance.
Why is it that the collective must suffer so that the individual can get stronger? Why must the weak become weaker so that the strong become stronger? Why must the weak starve and die so that the strong can live until they're a hundred?
Why is the third world not deserving of a comfortable life?

  • 01.06.2013 4:52 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Just saying, while I don't doubt that there is some plan like this out there, I highly doubt it will be implemented, at least in our time.

As for my personal feelings, I'm against anything that limits personal freedoms and options. Anything that suppresses individuality, creativity, and personal rights and expression is a bad thing. We got to where we are because of thinkers - inventors. If everyone was some mindless drone, we'd still be hunting our dinners with a club.

Variety is the spice of life, and everyone should be able to enjoy their life, so long as their enjoyment doesn't directly threaten anyone else. As for what happens with the environment thousands or millions of years down the road, I really don't care. I won't be around. My children, their children, and their children's children will all be dead, and I'm pretty sure most of what I enjoy in life will be dust or scrap metal by that time.

  • 01.06.2013 5:13 PM PDT

I am the Troll King.

It will never happen. Or at least not in our time.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Zoomzoom97
It will never happen. Or at least not in our time.
But it will happen some day. Some day in the far future, centuries from now.

At least, if we ever want to get off this rock.

  • 01.06.2013 5:17 PM PDT

I am the Troll King.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Zoomzoom97
It will never happen. Or at least not in our time.
But it will happen some day. Some day in the far future, centuries from now.

At least, if we ever want to get off this rock.


In a similar way maybe...but I doubt that exact plan will be the one we use.

  • 01.06.2013 5:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Zoomzoom97
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Zoomzoom97
It will never happen. Or at least not in our time.
But it will happen some day. Some day in the far future, centuries from now.

At least, if we ever want to get off this rock.


In a similar way maybe...but I doubt that exact plan will be the one we use.
Globalisation of some kind, however. At least this kind is with the aim of sustainability in mind.

  • 01.06.2013 5:23 PM PDT

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It's not going to happen. The general populace of the planet has their head too far up their asses to see what's happening. All the right wing talking heads and dismissers don't help much either.

  • 01.06.2013 5:26 PM PDT

This sounds good.

No sarcasm. Honest.

  • 01.06.2013 5:31 PM PDT

I am the Troll King.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Zoomzoom97
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Zoomzoom97
It will never happen. Or at least not in our time.
But it will happen some day. Some day in the far future, centuries from now.

At least, if we ever want to get off this rock.


In a similar way maybe...but I doubt that exact plan will be the one we use.
Globalisation of some kind, however. At least this kind is with the aim of sustainability in mind.


It has a good aim. But it will end badly. Limiting people's rights has never gone well. Maybe at first it has, but then some leader gets selfish and everything goes wrong.

  • 01.06.2013 5:31 PM PDT

I take it you're here for a reason?
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  • 01.06.2013 5:37 PM PDT

You had me at ban guns.

  • 01.06.2013 5:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Do you Americans


Stopped taking you seriously right there.

Obviously you have no idea of how stupid an idea it is, since it cannot possibly be implemented without blood shed.

The logistics alone behind it make it not only unreasonable, but laughable.

[Edited on 01.06.2013 5:49 PM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Sgt Drifter
Posted by: Garshne
Do you Americans


Stopped taking you seriously right there.

Obviously you have no idea of how stupid an idea it is, since it cannot possibly be implemented without blood shed.

The logistics alone behind it make it not only unreasonable, but laughable.
It's a globalisation project; because I'm not American it means my opinion doesn't count?

Have you ever learned geography? Then -blam!- tell me why sustainability is so terrible. If not, get the -blam!- out of this thread.

  • 01.06.2013 5:50 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Sgt Drifter
Posted by: Garshne
Do you Americans


Stopped taking you seriously right there.

Obviously you have no idea of how stupid an idea it is, since it cannot possibly be implemented without blood shed.

The logistics alone behind it make it not only unreasonable, but laughable.
It's a globalisation project; because I'm not American it means my opinion doesn't count?

Have you ever learned geography? Then -blam!- tell me why sustainability is so terrible. If not, get the -blam!- out of this thread.


You twit, I stopped taking you seriously because you are making absurd generalisations.

It's not about what is right to sustain our presence on Earth.

It's all about logistics, and you cannot do anything proposed in the plan with current resources, can you?

How the hell are you going to displace billions of people and destroy the current economic system and set a new one up flawlessly so that there is no interruption?

YOU CAN'T!

Please, take your head out of your ass and stop thinking about impractical dreams, and think about reality.

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  • 01.06.2013 5:54 PM PDT

As someone that moved from the UK to the States, i can objectively say they know very little geography. Even the smartest kids in my school that aren`t foreign have a year 5 or 6(age 9-10) understanding of the world.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Sgt Drifter
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Sgt Drifter
Posted by: Garshne
Do you Americans


Stopped taking you seriously right there.

Obviously you have no idea of how stupid an idea it is, since it cannot possibly be implemented without blood shed.

The logistics alone behind it make it not only unreasonable, but laughable.
It's a globalisation project; because I'm not American it means my opinion doesn't count?

Have you ever learned geography? Then -blam!- tell me why sustainability is so terrible. If not, get the -blam!- out of this thread.


You twit, I stopped taking you seriously because you are making absurd generalisations.

It's not about what is right to sustain our presence on Earth.

It's all about logistics, and you cannot do anything proposed in the plan with current resources, can you?

How the hell are who going to displace billions of people and destroy the current economic system and set a new one up flawlessly so that there is no interruption?

YOU CAN'T!

Please, take your head out of your ass and stop thinking about impractical dreams, and think about reality.
The reality is that unless we do something eventually we'll all end up with nothing.

This isn't some switch you turn that instantly makes everything alright. Of course not. That is impossible. What is needed is a gradual shift in culture, thinking and policy over decades, one step at a time.

We don't have the resources to pull this off? We'll have no resources to pull anything off if we don't act.

  • 01.06.2013 5:59 PM PDT