- IonicPaul
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Posted by: You Know Already
Posted by: IonicPaul
2. No, no it's not. The government was ordained by the people, and it provides the government services the people voted for, directly and indirectly, via our representative government. This government needs money, and under its protections and services, you are paying what you owe as a citizen. Most people are in favor of these taxes (present company excepted).
Except they don't have that authority. The Constitution is all about LIMITING the power of government. It never intended for the government to rob us, which is exactly what income tax is. Taking money you had literally no process in. The Constitution was very clear on how the government could make money; Charging fees for services(mail), selling federal land (They own 88% of Nevada) and charging taxes on imports from overseas. And honestly, I wouldn't be against a sales tax. However, taxing income is highly disgusting and tyrannical. We fought a revolution at a time when taxes were only 4%!
I'm truly sorry. After all, I was arguing from your point of view: That the constitution is a wonderful document handed down by God himself. I forgot that's actually pretty stupid, seeing as it was made in 1781, when things like a global economy, free thought, general public education, industry, etc. were pipe dreams at best. Things are different, and they're going to change, hence your gods' foresight to allow constitutional amendments.
lol sales tax. The flat tax that hurts the rich none and takes a much larger percentage of the poor's money. You know what flat taxes are called? Regressive taxes. They are literally classified as regressive, and your black and white thinking is widespread enough to support it. "Well they bought it; it's fair for them to pay the same percentage to the government. It's equal!" No it's not, not when you're making less than 400 dollars a month and every dollar in sales tax is a dollar taken away from the support of your children. Flat taxes are terrible.
Oh, oh, I'm sorry, a service you didn't want? Oops, that's part of the government. You're not going to use every part of it. What if I didn't use the mail in 1781? The taxes were ROBBING me. I wasn't sending any mail; why should I pay for someone else's mail service?
You're a citizen of a representative government, and like I said, your government which your peers voted for passed the amendment for income tax. Sorry, not theft. The government which is by the people agreed to take that money. That means the people agreed to give that money. You didn't? Too bad. You're a minority, so you lose. (good day sir!)
Yeah, we fought a revolution when taxes were only 4%! Because the upper classes literally lied to the citizens to get them active? The Boston Tea Party? Protesting taxes that actually made tea CHEAPER for the Americans; just not their businessmen.
Edit: He linked someone from FOX and then went to bed. That sums up this thread. Also, I apparently provided no evidence. Hm, forgot that whole explanation of the Panic of 1837 thing, did he?
[Edited on 01.06.2013 3:51 AM PST]