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Posted by: floppy willy

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So Dagget wanted to take over Wayne Enterprises. Great. So instead of hacking Bruce's E-Trade account you need to steal his fingerprints to make the bad investments in person? OK, sure. Only wouldn't anyone find it odd that a man who hasn't been seen in 8 years is suddenly out in the world and at the Stock Exchange no less. And isn't a bit fishy that the same day it is attacked by thugs Wayne loses all his money? It all just doesn't add up. The financial officials in Gotham must be real jerks if they believe that a billionaire would blow every single dime in ten minutes.


Well, when you put all of your investment in a nuclear reactor for clean energy but don't turn it on, then you're not exactly gonna gain money, are you?



Did you even read my post? Your response isn't relevant at all..

  • 01.06.2013 6:57 AM PDT


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Posted by: floppy willy

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So Dagget wanted to take over Wayne Enterprises. Great. So instead of hacking Bruce's E-Trade account you need to steal his fingerprints to make the bad investments in person? OK, sure. Only wouldn't anyone find it odd that a man who hasn't been seen in 8 years is suddenly out in the world and at the Stock Exchange no less. And isn't a bit fishy that the same day it is attacked by thugs Wayne loses all his money? It all just doesn't add up. The financial officials in Gotham must be real jerks if they believe that a billionaire would blow every single dime in ten minutes.


Well, when you put all of your investment in a nuclear reactor for clean energy but don't turn it on, then you're not exactly gonna gain money, are you?



Did you even read my post? Your response isn't relevant at all..


Yes I did. You said "they must be real jerks to believe a billionare could blow every penny in 10 minutes" and like I said, investing everything into a reactor that you're not gonna turn on will blow your money out of the water.

  • 01.06.2013 6:59 AM PDT


Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Because letting the enemy get their hands on a WMD that's able to kill every single person in the city is the greatest idea ever. While he's at it he should give a 2 year old a button that's linked to every launch able nuke in the country.


Bruce had full power over the reactor anyway, and as wasn't even aware of Bane's attack, he would have had no need to tell Fox how to. Infact he did tell tahlia, the new "leader" but she didn't for obvious reasons.

Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Those cops had to run a pretty far distance to get to them. They were charging at over 100 people that had long range assault rifles. The cops were packed together. The only thing they had to do was point at them and fire.


Waiting for the order from Bane. By the time he gave the order they were close, and Batman destroyed a tumbler, surprising them, allowing the police to get in close.

Posted by: BerzerkCommando
They didn't have it when they were charging at those guys. The weapons they had on them wouldn't harm that vehicle. Also that vehicle is not alone. It has the support of the other people around it.


True. It's not so much a plot hole though, more so a continuity error. Like I said, it isn't perfect.

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Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: I AM THOR

Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: I AM THOR
So Dagget wanted to take over Wayne Enterprises. Great. So instead of hacking Bruce's E-Trade account you need to steal his fingerprints to make the bad investments in person? OK, sure. Only wouldn't anyone find it odd that a man who hasn't been seen in 8 years is suddenly out in the world and at the Stock Exchange no less. And isn't a bit fishy that the same day it is attacked by thugs Wayne loses all his money? It all just doesn't add up. The financial officials in Gotham must be real jerks if they believe that a billionaire would blow every single dime in ten minutes.


Well, when you put all of your investment in a nuclear reactor for clean energy but don't turn it on, then you're not exactly gonna gain money, are you?



Did you even read my post? Your response isn't relevant at all..


Yes I did. You said "they must be real jerks to believe a billionare could blow every penny in 10 minutes" and like I said, investing everything into a reactor that you're not gonna turn on will blow your money out of the water.


It's funny how you accused me of not understanding the movie when you yourself don't. Bruce blew most of his companies monie on the fusion project 3 years prior to the movie. When he stopped it, Wayne enterprises wasn't making a profit anymore.

Now, the attack on the stock exchange was for Wayne Enterprises to go completely bankrupt, so Dagget could absorb the company and take over. In order to do so, they used Wayne's fingerprints to buy highly unsafe stocks that were guaranteed to fail, using literally ALL of Wayne's money.

They spent millions, potentially a billion dollars buying unsafe stocks guaranteed to fail, on the day terrorists were doing something at the stock exchange. Do you honestly believe they wouldn't investigate and hold off all trades that occurred?

  • 01.06.2013 7:07 AM PDT


Posted by: I AM THOR
It's funny how you accused me of not understanding the movie when you yourself don't. Bruce blew most of his companies monie on the fusion project 3 years prior to the movie. When he stopped it, Wayne enterprises wasn't making a profit anymore.


I know, it's why they stopped funding the orphange hom.

Posted by: I AM THOR
Now, the attack on the stock exchange was for Wayne Enterprises to go completely bankrupt, so Dagget could absorb the company and take over. In order to do so, they used Wayne's fingerprints to buy highly unsafe stocks that were guaranteed to fail, using literally ALL of Wayne's money.


Again, I know.

Posted by: I AM THOR
They spent millions, potentially a billion dollars buying unsafe stocks guaranteed to fail, on the day terrorists were doing something at the stock exchange. Do you honestly believe they wouldn't investigate and hold off all trades that occurred?


"Long term, we'll be able to prove fraud. Short term, you're broke" and like I said, there are inaccuries like that. But at the end of the day, it's a necessary thing to happen to give Bane the bomb.

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  • 01.06.2013 7:09 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Because most people don't know what a plot hole is/didn't understand what was going on. I don't know that I've once heard a valid plot hole about the movie.

  • 01.06.2013 7:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cobravert
I just saw a green monkey nut shot a small tan lizard(?) in a gunny sack.

Because it is full of plot holes. A plot hole isn't something that people 'just don't get', like you said. The audience shouldn't have to create scenarios in which a confusing situation can be justified. TDKR is full of confusing plot holes and nonsensical plot lines.

  • 01.06.2013 7:15 AM PDT


Posted by: chubbz
Because it is full of plot holes. A plot hole isn't something that people 'just don't get', like you said. The audience shouldn't have to create scenarios in which a confusing situation can be justified. TDKR is full of confusing plot holes and nonsensical plot lines.


Humour me, explain how it's "full" of confusing plot holes.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because most people don't know what a plot hole is/didn't understand what was going on. I don't know that I've once heard a valid plot hole about the movie.


Get off your high horse.

Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine so far so good.

But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid? If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way?

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Posted by: SkilPhil
I like how he made a huge bat signal out of fire on the bridge when he had much more pressing matters at hand.

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Posted by: Cobravert
I just saw a green monkey nut shot a small tan lizard(?) in a gunny sack.


Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: chubbz
Because it is full of plot holes. A plot hole isn't something that people 'just don't get', like you said. The audience shouldn't have to create scenarios in which a confusing situation can be justified. TDKR is full of confusing plot holes and nonsensical plot lines.


Humour me, explain how it's "full" of confusing plot holes.


Here you go.

Please explain these, using only information/scenes from the movie that happened prior to the scenes in question.

  • 01.06.2013 7:19 AM PDT
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I hate that he can keep leaving his jet thing in an alley.

  • 01.06.2013 7:20 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: I AM THOR
Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine so far so good.
Dagget wasn't running the show, Bane was, and all Bane needed was temporary power over Wayne enterprises.

If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way?The plan wasn't to get a simple atomic bomb. The reason they wanted that one specifically is because there was only one man on Earth who could disarm it, who Bane then executed on a football field.

  • 01.06.2013 7:21 AM PDT

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Wow. I'm even further convinced you guys are just trying to find something bad about the movie.

Especially with the whole, "He didn't have enough calories to build muscle!!1!!" one...

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: I AM THOR
Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine so far so good.
Dagget wasn't running the show, Bane was, and all Bane needed was temporary power over Wayne enterprises.

If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way?The plan wasn't to get a simple atomic bomb. The reason they wanted that one specifically is because there was only one man on Earth who could disarm it, who Bane then executed on a football field.


Funny how you disregarded the actual plot hole being pointed out.

"But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid?"

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because most people don't know what a plot hole is/didn't understand what was going on. I don't know that I've once heard a valid plot hole about the movie.


Get off your high horse.

Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine so far so good.

But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid? If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way?

Nice copypasta.

They also wanted to completely bankrupt Wayne Enterprises, so Bruce's resources would diminish, and thus being less likely to be a threat as Batman.

  • 01.06.2013 7:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: I AM THOR
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Because most people don't know what a plot hole is/didn't understand what was going on. I don't know that I've once heard a valid plot hole about the movie.


Get off your high horse.

Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine so far so good.

But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid? If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way?

Nice copypasta.

They also wanted to completely bankrupt Wayne Enterprises, so Bruce's resources would diminish, and thus being less likely to be a threat as Batman.


Hilarious how you guys aren't addressing the actual plot hole.

"But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid?"

  • 01.06.2013 7:24 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: I AM THOR
Funny how you disregarded the actual plot hole I was pointing out.
I didn't. That's addressed in the first part of my post.

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Posted by: Cobravert
I just saw a green monkey nut shot a small tan lizard(?) in a gunny sack.


Posted by: Swine of War464
Wow. I'm even further convinced you guys are just trying to find something bad about the movie.

Especially with the whole, "He didn't have enough calories to build muscle!!1!!" one...


Except I didn't have to 'find' them, half of them just popped out at me as I was sitting in the theater watching it.

  • 01.06.2013 7:24 AM PDT


Posted by: chubbz

Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: chubbz
Because it is full of plot holes. A plot hole isn't something that people 'just don't get', like you said. The audience shouldn't have to create scenarios in which a confusing situation can be justified. TDKR is full of confusing plot holes and nonsensical plot lines.


Humour me, explain how it's "full" of confusing plot holes.


Here you go.

Please explain these, using only information/scenes from the movie that happened prior to the scenes in question.


I'll address the two major ones. (Gotta love how Thor is literally copy pasting from this website)

A) They sent in a small team of people earlier. That ended badly. And he saw how vicious Bane was, and the massive army he has. And you really think they can expect daggart's contruction crew to put explosives all around the city?

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: I AM THOR
Funny how you disregarded the actual plot hole I was pointing out.
I didn't. That's addressed in the first part of my post.


Umm....NO?

Answer this question: Why weren't all transactions cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid?

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Posted by: floppy willy

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


So...they're plot holes. Great, glad we got that settled then.

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Also, why don't you address this major one:

"Gotham citizens are weird. They hate the rich millionaires but they are cool with an exposed-cranium Darth Vader wanna-be who exploded their Football team, mayor and bridges. They also believe what Bane says about Gordon. But as an audience, we know the letter is real, but how can the citizens just blindly assume it's true? It's just a piece of paper read by a stranger who exploded hundreds of people a few seconds ago. Is it the best way to get Gotham's trust?"

  • 01.06.2013 7:28 AM PDT


Posted by: I AM THOR

Posted by: floppy willy

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


So...they're plot holes. Great, glad we got that settled then.


No. I was talking about the CIA being able to figure out it was an attack with forensics. Because the CIA works exactly as they do in real life as they do in movies.

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Posted by: floppy willy

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


So...they're plot holes. Great, glad we got that settled then.

Not adhering to realism =/= plot holes.

If we go by your logic, Lord Of The Rings is riddled with plot holes, because logic in that universe, doesn't work the same way as it does in our universe.

  • 01.06.2013 7:29 AM PDT