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Subject: Why do people say the dark knight rises is riddled with plot holes?


Posted by: I AM THOR
Also, why don't you address this major one:

"Gotham citizens are weird. They hate the rich millionaires but they are cool with an exposed-cranium Darth Vader wanna-be who exploded their Football team, mayor and bridges. They also believe what Bane says about Gordon. But as an audience, we know the letter is real, but how can the citizens just blindly assume it's true? It's just a piece of paper read by a stranger who exploded hundreds of people a few seconds ago. Is it the best way to get Gotham's trust?"


Who said they liked Bane? Who said they hate rich millionaires? What you mean the poor, the desperate, and the criminals stealing from the rich means all of the citizens hate them?

What, because all of the citizens didn't rebel against a massive army which would kill them means they like them? Who says they think it's true? They're just scared that they'll get KILLED BY BANE if they rebel.

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Wow. I'm even further convinced you guys are just trying to find something bad about the movie.

Especially with the whole, "He didn't have enough calories to build muscle!!1!!" one...


Except I didn't have to 'find' them, half of them just popped out at me as I was sitting in the theater watching it.


Whatever you say, mate.

  • 01.06.2013 7:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: I AM THOR
Umm....NO?

Answer this question: Why weren't all transactions cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid?
They had complete control over the systems. Who was going to cancel them? After the fact they could investigate exactly what had happened in the compromised system. Hence the line in the movie from Fox about being able to prove Fraud.

And you should also know that inconsistencies with reality are not plot holes. So even if I were to say, "Hey yeah, that is weird. That would happen if this were done in real life!" it still wouldn't be a plot hole. When you copy/paste your opinions from a website which doesn't know what its talking about, you're going to come off that way too.

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Posted by: I AM THOR

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B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


So...they're plot holes. Great, glad we got that settled then.

Not adhering to realism =/= plot holes.

If we go by your logic, Lord Of The Rings is riddled with plot holes, because logic in that universe, doesn't work the same way as it does in our universe.


Omg, are you for real. The batman movies are supposed to be set in a realistic world, of course you're going to question when supposedly smart people like CIA officials act completely retarded.

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This thread in a nutshell.

  • 01.06.2013 7:34 AM PDT

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Plot holes or not, it's still a pretty poor movie.

  • 01.06.2013 7:34 AM PDT


Posted by: I AM THOR
Also, why don't you address this major one:

"Gotham citizens are weird. They hate the rich millionaires but they are cool with an exposed-cranium Darth Vader wanna-be who exploded their Football team, mayor and bridges. They also believe what Bane says about Gordon. But as an audience, we know the letter is real, but how can the citizens just blindly assume it's true? It's just a piece of paper read by a stranger who exploded hundreds of people a few seconds ago. Is it the best way to get Gotham's trust?"

Fear/economic inequality drives them ('Theres a storm coming Mr. Wayne') and Bane gives them what they want.
Whats not to convince them otherwise that it would be fake? Gordon was becoming unpopular (Mayor is going to dump him) and many were not convinced by his story anyway. (Robin mentions this when he meets Bruce in Wayne Manor)

This was me connecting the dots anyway.

Also to note that not all civilians took part in the rioting. (Boys orphange/that lame detective guy)

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If you haven't noticed, people here on the Flood love to complain about popular stuff.

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Posted by: floppy willy

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


So...they're plot holes. Great, glad we got that settled then.

Not adhering to realism =/= plot holes.

If we go by your logic, Lord Of The Rings is riddled with plot holes, because logic in that universe, doesn't work the same way as it does in our universe.


Omg, are you for real. The batman movies are supposed to be set in a realistic world

Let's break it down:

-People run around dressed as winged rodents beating criminals to a pulp.

-Fictional fear inducing chemicals exist.

-Mobile phones being used as radars.

-Having half of your face completely burned off allows you to form speech effortlessly.

-This movie is based of a comic book series which involves psychopathic villains that defy physics and biology i.e. Mr Freeze, Scarecrow, Bane, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc etc.

Say what now?

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Let's break it down:

-People run around dressed as winged rodents beating criminals to a pulp.

-Fictional fear inducing chemicals exist.

-Mobile phones being used as radars.

-Having half of your face completely burned off allows to form speech effortlessly.

This movie is based of a comic book series which involves psychopathic villains that defy physics and biology i.e. Mr Freeze, Scarecrow, Bane, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc etc.

Say what now?


Of course you're missing the point. The movie of course isn't toally realistic (no movie is), but it still has a "realistic-undertone".

When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely retarded, you are going to question it.

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Posted by: chubbz
Because it is full of plot holes. A plot hole isn't something that people 'just don't get', like you said. The audience shouldn't have to create scenarios in which a confusing situation can be justified. TDKR is full of confusing plot holes and nonsensical plot lines.


Humour me, explain how it's "full" of confusing plot holes.


Here you go.

Please explain these, using only information/scenes from the movie that happened prior to the scenes in question.


I'll address the two major ones. (Gotta love how Thor is literally copy pasting from this website)

A) They sent in a small team of people earlier. That ended badly. And he saw how vicious Bane was, and the massive army he has. And you really think they can expect daggart's contruction crew to put explosives all around the city?

B) That can literally be explained with "it's a movie". Do things in the Batman Universe have to work exactly as they do in real life? Nope.


A. They didn't 'send' anyone anywhere, a small group of officers ran down into the sewers in pursuit of some fleeing thugs and got ambushed. That wasn't a prepared attack by the Gotham police at all, so don't try and skew it to be such. That whole situation could've been handled several different ways, but they chose the stupidest one.


B. Such a lame cop-out. I would expect a series that's been lauded as being done as realistically as possible to adhere to reality as much as it could. Last I checked this was Nolan's Batman series, not Batman Forever. Don't try to criticize people that find fault with the movie and then skirt around the issues they bring up and say 'hurr durr it's just a movie'. If you can't logically disprove what they're saying, you shouldn't be discussing this at all.

  • 01.06.2013 7:41 AM PDT


Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!

  • 01.06.2013 7:41 AM PDT

My troll sense is tingling.

There are plot holes. Such as the fact that somebody as famous as Bruce Wayne would just become unrecognizable, even with the clean slate.

However, none of them are as massive as the freaking microwave emitter in Batman Begins.

  • 01.06.2013 7:42 AM PDT

Posted by: chubbz
A. They didn't 'send' anyone anywhere, a small group of officers ran down into the sewers in pursuit of some fleeing thugs and got ambushed. That wasn't a prepared attack by the Gotham police at all, so don't try and skew it to be such. That whole situation could've been handled several different ways, but they chose the stupidest one.


You're right? And Gordan got full view of Bane and his army. He knew that a small attack wouldn't have done much. And again, why would they expect a construction company to lay down explosives all around Gotham to trap them?


Posted by: chubbz
B. Such a lame cop-out. I would expect a series that's been lauded as being done as realistically as possible to adhere to reality as much as it could. Last I checked this was Nolan's Batman series, not Batman Forever. Don't try to criticize people that find fault with the movie and then skirt around the issues they bring up and say 'hurr durr it's just a movie'. If you can't logically disprove what they're saying, you shouldn't be discussing this at all.


But like Wee man said, lack of complete realism =/= plot hole. Because the CIA and forensic scientists aren't up to par with the real world means it's a plot hole?

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Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!


LOL, of course you try and change the subject and bring up something irrelevent.

Where did I say the other movies weren't realistic? How do you know I don't have problems with the other movies either?

For the record, I like all three movies. I just find it ridiculous how people are so blinded that they will insult others and claim the movies are perfect.

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Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

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Posted by: floppy willy

But like Wee man said, lack of complete realism =/= plot hole. Because the CIA and forensic scientists aren't up to par with the real world means it's a plot hole?


When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.

  • 01.06.2013 7:45 AM PDT

there aren't really any plot holes, just idiotic decisions characters seem to make. like when gordon ordered every single cop underground. gordon isn't that dumb, why would he do that? why didn't anyone protest this decision? i mean it was obviously a retarded thing to do...

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Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.


Like the microwave emitter (just as the other person said). That's definitely the biggest plot hole of the trilogy right there.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.


Nice assumption. There are problems with the other movies too, but considering this thread is about TKDR, I don't see how they're relevant. I noticed you ignored my last point as well.

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Posted by: I AM THOR
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Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

Nice assumption. There are problems with the other movies too, but considering this thread is about TKDR, I don't see how they're relevant. I noticed you ignored my last point as well.
What assumption and what was "your," last point?

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Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

Begins had the biggest plot hole of the series.

  • 01.06.2013 7:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

but nothing ever quite so dumb as sending every cop underground.

  • 01.06.2013 7:48 AM PDT


Posted by: I AM THOR
I just find it ridiculous how people are so blinded that they will insult others and claim the movies are perfect.



Posted by: floppy willy
It's not perfect


The first three words of the OP.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

but nothing ever quite so dumb as sending every cop underground.


Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?

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