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Posted by: dahuterschuter
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Posted by: floppy willy
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I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

Nice assumption. There are problems with the other movies too, but considering this thread is about TKDR, I don't see how they're relevant. I noticed you ignored my last point as well.
What assumption and what was "your," last point?


The assumption that only TDKR gets attacked for unrealistic/stupid things. People tore apart Begins for the Microwave emitter and TDK had plot holes as well. Again, because this thread is about TDKR, of course people are gonna talk mostly about TDKR...

My point:
When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: floppy willy
Posted by: I AM THOR
I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.


Like the microwave emitter (just as the other person said). That's definitely the biggest plot hole of the trilogy right there.

an unrealistic technology that doesn't exist in the real world isn't allowed to exist in fiction? i don't think this is a plot hole.

that being said there may be something i am missing, i havent seen batman begins in a while.

  • 01.06.2013 7:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: floppy willy
Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?

You. . . you noticed that plot hole as well? All this time and I thought I was the only one who noticed.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: floppy willy
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I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.

but nothing ever quite so dumb as sending every cop underground.


Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?


Why do you keep bringing up the other movies? How are they relevant? The other movies had major plot holes as well. Just because the previous ones did, it means TDKR is excused for having plot holes as well, because "Oh the other movies did"

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Posted by: I AM THOR
When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.


Like I said, Gordon sent the cops underground because he was fully aware of the threat. A small team wouldn't be enough. You only see it as retarded because of what happened. How were they to know that a consturction company put down explosives all over the city?

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Posted by: floppy willy
Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?

You. . . you noticed that plot hole as well? All this time and I thought I was the only one who noticed.


Dude, literally everyone knows of that plot hole. I don't get why people are bringing it up to someone justify plot holes in TDKR, as if the fact that a bigger plot hole exists in another movie, the ones in this one are excused.

  • 01.06.2013 7:52 AM PDT


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Posted by: floppy willy
Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?

You. . . you noticed that plot hole as well? All this time and I thought I was the only one who noticed.


No. You just told me about that plot hole a bit ago.

  • 01.06.2013 7:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: theGUNdoctor
an unrealistic technology that doesn't exist in the real world isn't allowed to exist in fiction? i don't think this is a plot hole.

that being said there may be something i am missing, i havent seen batman begins in a while.

Allow me to elaborate, as it's not the technology itself that is a plot hole.

Now, allow me to tell you a little something about science and movies. They rarely get it right but they don't have to. As long as they're not failing the most basic forms of it, I can ignore flaws in science for the sake of the narrative. The key to believability is consistency. Batman Begins fails in that regard.

so the way the microwave emitter works is that it causes vaporization of water, turning it into steam. In the climax of the film, the villains intend to vaporize the water supply of all of Gotham which contains a fear toxin. They have been dumping this into the waters for weeks, maybe even months. The entire water supply of Gotham is laced with it and they dismiss that we haven't felt the effects because it has to be vaporized.

There are tens of millions of people in Gotham. How many of those people, per day would vaporize their water? For cooking, baths, showers or just a plain old need for hot water? You don't need microwaves to vaporize water, people do that all the time and there is no way in a city as big as Gotham that nobody went crazy or notice anyone going crazy for weeks. There would be an epidemic, reports would come in every minute. And yet not until the magic microwave emitter comes along does water turn into steam.

That is basic science, I learned it when I played with the water taps when I was a kid.

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Posted by: I AM THOR
My point:
When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.

this.

  • 01.06.2013 7:53 AM PDT

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Watch this.
I would explain myself but if there is a video that does it for me I might as well use it.

The best part is at 7:37.

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Posted by: I AM THOR
The assumption that only TDKR gets attacked for unrealistic/stupid things. People tore apart Begins for the Microwave emitter and TDK had plot holes as well. Again, because this thread is about TDKR, of course people are gonna talk mostly about TDKR...
I don't remember anyone nitpicking those movies like this. Maybe I don't frequent the right places.

My point:
When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.
For the sake of progress, I'm not even going to bother arguing that and grant you that premise just because. It still isn't a plot hole.

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Posted by: floppy willy
Really? You mean in batman begins, not a single drop of water turned into steam? No kettles, no baths? Really?

You. . . you noticed that plot hole as well? All this time and I thought I was the only one who noticed.


Dude, literally everyone knows of that plot hole. I don't get why people are bringing it up to someone justify plot holes in TDKR, as if the fact that a bigger plot hole exists in another movie, the ones in this one are excused.


No one is saying that. I was questioning his decision saying sending the cops underground was supposedly the biggest plot hole in the trilogy (when it's hardly a plot hole)

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Posted by: floppy willy

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: floppy willy
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I'm ok with the other moves being unrealistic, but when TDKR is, WHAT THE HELL!
That's something weird too. It's only ever the TDKR unrealistic/stupid things that get attacked to death. There are plenty of silly things in the rest of the trilogy that everyone just gives a pass to.


Like the microwave emitter (just as the other person said). That's definitely the biggest plot hole of the trilogy right there.

an unrealistic technology that doesn't exist in the real world isn't allowed to exist in fiction? i don't think this is a plot hole.

that being said there may be something i am missing, i havent seen batman begins in a while.

The fact that it was fictional and unrealistic was not the point. You don't scream plot holes at something when it does not adhere to realism.

The plot hole there is the fact that the fear inducing chemical had been poured into the water system for days. Apparently it only works when it's in gas form. What about all those times someone turned a kettle on? Or a shower? There would be massive outbreaks within days.

  • 01.06.2013 7:54 AM PDT


Posted by: darthnazgul

Posted by: theGUNdoctor
an unrealistic technology that doesn't exist in the real world isn't allowed to exist in fiction? i don't think this is a plot hole.

that being said there may be something i am missing, i havent seen batman begins in a while.

Allow me to elaborate, as it's not the technology itself that is a plot hole.

Now, allow me to tell you a little something about science and movies. They rarely get it right but they don't have to. As long as they're not failing the most basic forms of it, I can ignore flaws in science for the sake of the narrative. The key to believability is consistency. Batman Begins fails in that regard.

so the way the microwave emitter works is that it causes vaporization of water, turning it into steam. In the climax of the film, the villains intend to vaporize the water supply of all of Gotham which contains a fear toxin. They have been dumping this into the waters for weeks, maybe even months. The entire water supply of Gotham is laced with it and they dismiss that we haven't felt the effects because it has to be vaporized.

There are tens of millions of people in Gotham. How many of those people, per day would vaporize their water? For cooking, baths, showers or just a plain old need for hot water? You don't need microwaves to vaporize water, people do that all the time and there is no way in a city as big as Gotham that nobody went crazy or notice anyone going crazy for weeks. There would be an epidemic, reports would come in every minute. And yet not until the magic microwave emitter comes along does water turn into steam.

That is basic science, I learned it when I played with the water taps when I was a kid.

hahaaaaa that is true. i get it now, thanks. that thought never occurred to me when i watched that film, i think i was like 11 at the time and i havent given it much thought since.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter

When supposedly smart people like CIA people or cops like Gordan (who in the previous movie was shown as intelligent), act absolutely RETARDED, you are going to question it.[/quote]For the sake of progress, I'm not even going to bother arguing that and grant you that premise just because. It still isn't a plot hole.


So, you insult others, claiming that if they point out illogical parts of the story, they "don't understand what was going on.", but now you're admitting there are poor parts of the narrative? Okay.

  • 01.06.2013 8:04 AM PDT

Because they think that it's riddled with plotholes?

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So, you insult others, claiming that if they point out illogical parts of the story, they "don't understand what was going on.",
I didn't say if someone points out illogical parts of the story they didn't understand what was going on.

but now you're admitting there are poor parts of the narrative? Okay.I was never denying that there were poor parts of the narrative. No-one is even pointing out the actual poor parts of the narrative.

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A. They didn't 'send' anyone anywhere, a small group of officers ran down into the sewers in pursuit of some fleeing thugs and got ambushed. That wasn't a prepared attack by the Gotham police at all, so don't try and skew it to be such. That whole situation could've been handled several different ways, but they chose the stupidest one.


You're right? And Gordan got full view of Bane and his army. He knew that a small attack wouldn't have done much. And again, why would they expect a construction company to lay down explosives all around Gotham to trap them?


Posted by: chubbz
B. Such a lame cop-out. I would expect a series that's been lauded as being done as realistically as possible to adhere to reality as much as it could. Last I checked this was Nolan's Batman series, not Batman Forever. Don't try to criticize people that find fault with the movie and then skirt around the issues they bring up and say 'hurr durr it's just a movie'. If you can't logically disprove what they're saying, you shouldn't be discussing this at all.


But like Wee man said, lack of complete realism =/= plot hole. Because the CIA and forensic scientists aren't up to par with the real world means it's a plot hole?


A. It doesn't matter what Gordon saw, there were other ways to handle that situation, instead he sent 99% of Gotham's police force down into the sewers. It was a decision made to advance other parts of the plot, and that was all. A good portion of Bane's plan relied on there not being a police force to contend with once they exposed themselves. That's the only reason that happened. There's no other logical explanation for it.

B. I don't care what Wee Man said, and I'm not concerned about the plane crash. I actually thought that was a well-done scene. My point is that I shouldn't have to suspend my sense of disbelief in a movie that's the end of a trilogy lauded for its realistic take on the Batman franchise. I shouldn't have to force myself to ignore the fact it magically changed from day to night within 5 minutes after the stock exchange attack. I shouldn't have to ignore the fact that Batman chose to waste an ungodly amount of time making a flaming Bat-signal. If he wanted to announce his return to inspire the people, he should've just gone and repaired the original Bat-signal. I shouldn't have to try and think that Talia's plan is simple and workable and not suffer through a ridiculously contrived plot to bring down Gotham when I can go watch Batman Begins and watch a simple, effective plan enacted by Ras that would've worked in 1/8th of the time it would've taken Talia.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
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So, you insult others, claiming that if they point out illogical parts of the story, they "don't understand what was going on.",
I didn't say if someone points out illogical parts of the story they didn't understand what was going on.

but now you're admitting there are poor parts of the narrative? Okay.I was never denying that there were poor parts of the narrative. No-one is even pointing out the actual poor parts of the narrative.


Tell me what you thought were the poor parts of the narrative?

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Posted by: I AM THOR
Tell me what you thought were the poor parts of the narrative?
That would just be off-topic.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
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Tell me what you thought were the poor parts of the narrative?
That would just be off-topic.

...this whole thread is basically about the movie's plot holes and parts that didn't make sense, poorly thought out, etc. It's not off topic.

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Posted by: I AM THOR
Tell me what you thought were the poor parts of the narrative?
That would just be off-topic.

...this whole thread is basically about the movie's plot holes and parts that didn't make sense, poorly thought out, etc. It's not off topic.
If you read the OP you'll find it's about a confusion over why some people claim that the movie is filled with plot holes. Outlining the poor parts of the narrative is not directly relevant to that.

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Posted by: I AM THOR
How does Bruce just waltz back into Gotham, the most secure and heavily defended place in the world, with no money, no technology, and trapped in a third world country?



I didn't understand that whatsoever and that is what stood out to me.

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Posted by: grey101

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How does Bruce just waltz back into Gotham, the most secure and heavily defended place in the world, with no money, no technology, and trapped in a third world country?



I didn't understand that whatsoever and that is what stood out to me.


It's a plot hole, plain and simple. The fact that we have to imagine an entire scenario for it to be plausible shows it's poor writing.

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How does Bruce just waltz back into Gotham, the most secure and heavily defended place in the world, with no money, no technology, and trapped in a third world country?



I didn't understand that whatsoever and that is what stood out to me.


It's a plot hole, plain and simple. The fact that we have to imagine an entire scenario for it to be plausible shows it's poor writing.

Or maybe the director didn't want to spoon feed you every aspect of the plot.

The film is already 2 and a half hours long. Having him get back to Gotham would kind of draw out the movie, and is also of irrelevance since it clearly shows a small town directly next to the pit's entrance.

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