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Subject: A rather dark question about mentally deficient people...


Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion
Maybe we should put them in camps and slaughter them; I think another country came up with this brilliant idea a few decades ago.


>implying they put the mentally deficient in the work camps
>implying there was death camps

Uh, they didn't put them in work camps, they simply killed them because there were plenty of other inmates that were better equipped to do their job(s).

Are you contesting that Germany didn't kill the mentally handicap?


They did, but not in the work camps.

I was also stating the "death camps" didn't exist.

What does "death camps" even mean? Nobody brought up that phrase but you, and you haven't even clarified what such a place is. A place where the Germans exterminated whoever they perceived to be lesser than them? They separated them from the higher quality workers the moment they arrived at the concentration camps, then killed them via gassing/shooting on site.

  • 01.06.2013 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Crystal Clear

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Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion
Maybe we should put them in camps and slaughter them; I think another country came up with this brilliant idea a few decades ago.


>implying they put the mentally deficient in the work camps
>implying there was death camps


Get the -blam!- out.


Tell me how Das Dritte Reich, under the strain of the war, managed to kill 11 million in three to four years, and dispose every single body.

Go take every death camp, figure out the max amount of people that can be killed in a single day, then take how long it takes to dispose a body via crematorium (8 hours), figure out how many crematoriums were in each camp, add that all up.

You won't even get six million.


Cite some sources bro.

I'm gonna need more than your word for it.

  • 01.06.2013 2:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Satisfaxion

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion
Maybe we should put them in camps and slaughter them; I think another country came up with this brilliant idea a few decades ago.


>implying they put the mentally deficient in the work camps
>implying there was death camps

Uh, they didn't put them in work camps, they simply killed them because there were plenty of other inmates that were better equipped to do their job(s).

Are you contesting that Germany didn't kill the mentally handicap?


They did, but not in the work camps.

I was also stating the "death camps" didn't exist.

What does "death camps" even mean? Nobody brought up that phrase but you, and you haven't even clarified what such a place is. A place where the Germans exterminated whoever they perceived to be lesser than them? They separated them from the higher quality workers the moment they arrived at the concentration camps, then killed them via gassing/shooting on site.


>via gassing/shooting on site

Yes, a country under a two front war is just going to kill it's workers, wasting resources in the process.

>2012
>not realizing the reich was demonized in order to justify the war

  • 01.06.2013 2:31 PM PDT

A singular human is worth almost nothing in the first place. Regardless of mental disability.

  • 01.06.2013 2:31 PM PDT

Unto the Fray we go

I don't really think we should euthanize the mentally deficient, unless however, they are suffering immensely. In that case, it is their right to die happy and no longer suffer.

  • 01.06.2013 2:32 PM PDT

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  • 01.06.2013 2:32 PM PDT

Honestly, no. At first my answer was going to be let the disabled choose, but depending on how disabled they are they might not even have the capacity to understand death. Plus, if they're happy living, why have the option to euthanize?

This is coming from someone who's family took care of our mentally and physically disabled cousin for 20+ years. He was pretty dependent on others to help him.

  • 01.06.2013 2:34 PM PDT

This is why many people are pro-choice and whatnot. It's a subject that isn't black & white, but that's how pro-lifers see it. Life is a gift even if that time is nothing but pain for the child.

I don't think the children should be euthanized, but instead aborted. There's no point in going through the whole birth process if the parents usually know about birth defects many months in advance.

  • 01.06.2013 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Crystal Clear
>via gassing/shooting on site

Yes, a country under a two front war is just going to kill it's workers, wasting resources in the process.

And all of these eye-witness accounts, some of whom are still alive today; what do you make of them? All of the people that disappeared, the plummeting of the Jewish population in Eastern Europe, the mass graves of bodies and huge crematoriums?

Posted by: Crystal Clear
>2012
>not realizing the reich was demonized in order to justify the war

Whoa.

  • 01.06.2013 2:36 PM PDT

Nope. I'm fine with abortion, so you've got time until it pops out, but that's about it.

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Posted by: Crystal Clear
>via gassing/shooting on site

Yes, a country under a two front war is just going to kill it's workers, wasting resources in the process.

>2012
>not realizing the reich was demonized in order to justify the war


Obvious troll is obvious, move on people.

  • 01.06.2013 2:36 PM PDT
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Define mentally deficient.

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: Satisfaxion
Maybe we should put them in camps and slaughter them; I think another country came up with this brilliant idea a few decades ago.


>implying they put the mentally deficient in the work camps
>implying there was death camps


Get the -blam!- out.


Tell me how Das Dritte Reich, under the strain of the war, managed to kill 11 million in three to four years, and dispose every single body.

Go take every death camp, figure out the max amount of people that can be killed in a single day, then take how long it takes to dispose a body via crematorium (8 hours), figure out how many crematoriums were in each camp, add that all up.

You won't even get six million.


Cite some sources bro.

I'm gonna need more than your word for it.


Alright.

Lets say each camp was killing 500 a day(the six "death camps")

500x6x365x2 = 4,380,000

Thats just simple math. If we want to get technical with the hours needed to cremate each body, amount of crematoriums per camp(hint: there wasn't many) and how long it takes Zyklon B to actually kill.

And lets not get into the missing millions of tons of ashes.

  • 01.06.2013 2:39 PM PDT

Not everyone died in the camps. Just saying

  • 01.06.2013 2:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Crystal Clear
Alright.

Lets say each camp was killing 500 a day(the six "death camps")

500x6x365x2 = 4,380,000

Thats just simple math. If we want to get technical with the hours needed to cremate each body, amount of crematoriums per camp(hint: there wasn't many) and how long it takes Zyklon B to actually kill.

And lets not get into the missing millions of tons of ashes.


I simply can't take this seriously. You DO know many were simply shot in the ghettos, right? Far away from the camps?

  • 01.06.2013 2:41 PM PDT


Posted by: foreveraloner35
Not everyone died in the camps. Just saying


Why has no mass grave ever been found?
Where is the missing millions of tons of ashes and remains?

Listen, I'm not denying the existence of work camps, I'm not saying the third reich was 100% innocent, I'm denying a systematic plan to exterminate the jewish people.

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  • 01.06.2013 2:42 PM PDT

I've thought about this a lot lately sadly. I believe that the parents should have the option to I guess with a lack of a better word kill their Disabled kid. Yes I know it sounds wrong but the kid won't know what happens and he won't be a burden on anyone.

  • 01.06.2013 2:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: foreveraloner35
Not everyone died in the camps. Just saying


Why has no mass grave ever been found?
Where is the missing millions of tons of ashes and remains?

Listen, I'm not denying the existence of work camps, I'm not saying the third reich was 100% innocent, I'm denying a systematic plan to exterminate the jewish people.


Last October, I visited Prague, in the Check Republic (I know that's not the right spelling) and visited a Jewish ghetto, and there was a memorial, where the name of every Jewish person killed in the holocaust was listed. Where did they all go?

  • 01.06.2013 2:44 PM PDT


Posted by: foreveraloner35

Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: foreveraloner35
Not everyone died in the camps. Just saying


Why has no mass grave ever been found?
Where is the missing millions of tons of ashes and remains?

Listen, I'm not denying the existence of work camps, I'm not saying the third reich was 100% innocent, I'm denying a systematic plan to exterminate the jewish people.


Last October, I visited Prague, in the Check Republic (I know that's not the right spelling) and visited a Jewish ghetto, and there was a memorial, where the name of every Jewish person killed in the holocaust was listed. Where did they all go?


>names can't be made up
>people can't assume new identities

A bit off topic, but riddle me this, why is holocaust denial illegal in most european countries?

Why does truth fear investigation?

  • 01.06.2013 2:45 PM PDT

>2013
>People attacking OP's curious view.

When it comes to the people who are so mentally handicapped that they can not function in society, what's the point? You're going to need a full time supervisor to baby them which just wastes resources. Taking care of someone like that is like cleaning crap, it's a dirty, thankless job and ultimately a waste of time. I'm not saying "KILL ALL THE LESSER BEINGS!" but if the parents don't have what it takes to take care of him for the rest of their lives, why should non immediate family members do it?

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  • 01.06.2013 2:45 PM PDT


Posted by: foreveraloner35
Number 3 is bull-blam!-. My autistic cousin is employed and makes furniture for a living.
Autism is more High Functioning usually...


OT: No, everyone has the right to live.

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Posted by: Crystal Clear
Alright.

Lets say each camp was killing 500 a day(the six "death camps")

1712 per day, apparently could be done

  • 01.06.2013 2:47 PM PDT
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We have to look after our fellow man in their time of need. If they are always in need, it is our responsibility to help them. If humanity reaches the point where we no longer care for one another, what else do we have?

  • 01.06.2013 2:48 PM PDT
Subject: A rather dark question about mentally deficient people...


Posted by: Crystal Clear

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Posted by: Crystal Clear

Posted by: foreveraloner35
Not everyone died in the camps. Just saying


Why has no mass grave ever been found?
Where is the missing millions of tons of ashes and remains?

Listen, I'm not denying the existence of work camps, I'm not saying the third reich was 100% innocent, I'm denying a systematic plan to exterminate the jewish people.


Last October, I visited Prague, in the Check Republic (I know that's not the right spelling) and visited a Jewish ghetto, and there was a memorial, where the name of every Jewish person killed in the holocaust was listed. Where did they all go?


>names can't be made up
>people can't assume new identities

A bit off topic, but riddle me this, why is holocaust denial illegal in most european countries?

Why does truth fear investigation?


I doubt it. There was also a museum with first hand witness accounts, and evidence like photos and diary entries.

And it's illegal because it is is very highly offensive to survivors and families of survivors

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