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Subject: I'm playing through Halo 4's campaign again.

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Campaign was -blam!- fantastic! I loved it! They really appealed to the bigger Halo fans with all the terminals and references to precursors, human-forerunner war, how the flood came to be, etc.

  • 01.06.2013 6:41 PM PDT

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the campaign is amazing. I do not understand the hate towards it

  • 01.06.2013 6:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: M4L1K jr

Legendary is pretty brutal if you're not playing with friends. At least it's not as bad as Halo 2 solo legendary. H2 solo legendary was -blam!- rage inducing.


Legendary is extremely easy solo if you know what you're doing.

[Edited on 01.06.2013 6:42 PM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Donut Funn
I just didn't like the whole "chosen one" thing.
That was definitely one of the lower points in the story for me, I definitely remember facepalming at that point. There was absolutely no need to take the story in that direction, Chief doesn't need to be told that he's an awesome dude and that everything he does was set into motion billions and billions of years ago.

The Librarian could have just said "Yeah, let's unlock your potential as a human", zapped him, and sent him merrily on his way, but 343 Industries had to go dig into their bag of cliches. A shame. Definitely the 2nd worst part of the Campaign behind Del Rio.

  • 01.06.2013 6:44 PM PDT

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It's one of my favorite story-lines along with CE, RDR, Skyrim, Freedom Fighters,Bad Company series, and the AC series.

  • 01.06.2013 6:44 PM PDT


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I really have no idea why people don't like it.

>It feels forced
>You need outside knowledge to understand half of it
>Boring missions and objectives
>"Flip this switch! Now hit this button!" x100
>Poor AI


>How?

>No you don't, just a brain and some common sense

>No different than any other kind of mission we've had

>One of the more shallow reasons I've heard for disliking something on the whole.

>I've yet to see AI as responsive as these. I can actually see a thought processes behind everything they do; poor AI don't take advantage of your position of vunerability and teleport directly behind you for a quick beat down. Nor do they force you out of cover with grenades to have a sniper finish you off.

  • 01.06.2013 6:45 PM PDT

The Game

It was good, but I still think ODST or 3 had the best single-player.

  • 01.06.2013 6:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: M4L1K jr

Legendary is pretty brutal if you're not playing with friends. At least it's not as bad as Halo 2 solo legendary. H2 solo legendary was -blam!- rage inducing.


Legendary is extremely easy solo if you know what you're doing.


Are you talking about H2 or H4?

  • 01.06.2013 6:46 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
>No you don't, just a brain and some common sense
You couldn't really come up with a better response than "You're wrong and stupid"?

  • 01.06.2013 6:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Donut Funn
I just didn't like the whole "chosen one" thing.
That was definitely one of the lower points in the story for me, I definitely remember facepalming at that point. There was absolutely no need to take the story in that direction, Chief doesn't need to be told that he's an awesome dude and that everything he does was set into motion billions and billions of years ago.

The Librarian could have just said "Yeah, let's unlock your potential as a human", zapped him, and sent him merrily on his way, but 343 Industries had to go dig into their bag of cliches. A shame. Definitely the 2nd worst part of the Campaign behind Del Rio.


Mankind being the chosen people was introduced in Halo 3.

Halo 1 if you want to get technical. Either way, it's no more cliche than "aliens vs. humans." All that matters is presentation, and the presenttion--that Chief is the first example of what humans will ultimately evolve into--is less chosen by fate and more evolutionary gateway.

Ludicrously hypocritical to say something in Halo 4 is cliche when the very foundation of the universe is a huge cliche.

  • 01.06.2013 6:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
>No you don't, just a brain and some common sense
You couldn't really come up with a better response than "You're wrong and stupid"?


I didn't call him stupid. You need a brain, but you have to use it first. I don't doubt anyone's ability to figure the story out; what bothers me is that they don't even try.

What's hard to understand about the story, exactly? Why the Didact hates humans? All of that is explained in the level Reclaimer and the Terminals, that we destroyed his worlds and attempted to take the Mantle into our own hands. Why are the Elites fighting us again? Spartan Ops, mixed with comments in the campaign, make it obvious that they aren't the original Covenant; the common sense part comes in when you consider religous extremists give up their idealogies over their dead bodies. How did Cortana know Didact's name? The Elites say it right when he wakes up. How did Infinity find Requiem? Through coordinates on Installation 03.

I've yet to see a legitimate reason why the game's story was bad or poorly written. So suffice it to say, I get anoyed when people try bringing up reasons that have been discussed--and answered--to death.

  • 01.06.2013 6:56 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Donut Funn
I just didn't like the whole "chosen one" thing.
That was definitely one of the lower points in the story for me, I definitely remember facepalming at that point. There was absolutely no need to take the story in that direction, Chief doesn't need to be told that he's an awesome dude and that everything he does was set into motion billions and billions of years ago.

The Librarian could have just said "Yeah, let's unlock your potential as a human", zapped him, and sent him merrily on his way, but 343 Industries had to go dig into their bag of cliches. A shame. Definitely the 2nd worst part of the Campaign behind Del Rio.


Mankind being the chosen people was introduced in Halo 3.

Halo 1 if you want to get technical. Either way, it's no more cliche than "aliens vs. humans." All that matters is presentation, and the presenttion--that Chief is the first example of what humans will ultimately evolve into--is less chosen by fate and more evolutionary gateway.

Ludicrously hypocritical to say something in Halo 4 is cliche when the very foundation of the universe is a huge cliche.
I'm sorry, but the Librarian saying "You are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning" is entirely different from 343 Sparks saying "Oh, you're a human, here are the keys to this galatic super weapon".

And ludicrously hypocritical? Really? You might want to look up what that word means.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I've yet to see a legitimate reason why the game's story was bad or poorly written.
Two Words: Del Rio.

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  • 01.06.2013 6:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: M4L1K jr

Legendary is pretty brutal if you're not playing with friends. At least it's not as bad as Halo 2 solo legendary. H2 solo legendary was -blam!- rage inducing.


Legendary is extremely easy solo if you know what you're doing.


Are you talking about H2 or H4?


H4

  • 01.06.2013 7:01 PM PDT

Why are you here?

It was too short, and no campaign scoring kinda sucks. Was still fun though.

  • 01.06.2013 7:02 PM PDT
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Your 'beliefs' mean less than dick to me.

The story is lame and generic but the campaign itself is actually pretty good, aside from the lack of ammo. That first inside area of Requiem is an all-time awesome Halo environment.

My main beefs with the story are the way Cortana deals with the Didact at the end (literally lmaoed at that), and the fact that the game starts out with the Chief on his own in cool-looking alien environments (what Halo does best), but as the game goes on the UNSC and humanity become more and more present.

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  • 01.06.2013 7:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Two Words: Del Rio.

Out of curiosity, why do you hate him so much? I certainly didn't like him, but I can't really say I understand where you're coming from.

  • 01.06.2013 7:03 PM PDT
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The Campaign is phenomenal. It's the multiplayer I have qualms with.

  • 01.06.2013 7:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: M4L1K jr

Legendary is pretty brutal if you're not playing with friends. At least it's not as bad as Halo 2 solo legendary. H2 solo legendary was -blam!- rage inducing.


Legendary is extremely easy solo if you know what you're doing.


Are you talking about H2 or H4?


H4


It was a challenge at times. Especially when you're facing a large group of Prometheans, they're bullet sponges. I remember running out of ammo a few times.

  • 01.06.2013 7:05 PM PDT

The human element always mucks things up.

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  • 01.06.2013 7:05 PM PDT

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The chosen one thing is annoying for me as well. That and the whole 'ancient humanity' aspect is annoying, cheesey, cliched and predictable.

Chosen one, ancient evil...... yeah.....

I much prefer the idea that humanity elevated itself to its current state through its own pure genetic tenacity, with no external influence on it, and no Librarian orchestrating these events from thousands of years ago.

Don't you prefer the idea that the Chief is badass because he's the pinnacle of human potential? And that human potential is just a nod to the potential of life itself?

As for the H4 Campaign. It's the same thing over and over, kill off the little guys, kill off the big guys. Again and again. Interspersed with really weird mini-games.

Think back to Halo 1 (and 2 and 3 and ODST). Battles with AIs involved many types of enemy, sometimes multiple factions of enemies simultaneously, that seamlessly jumped between on-foot and in-vehicle. Halo 4 ignores this much praised way of doing things, jumping between normal on-foot, ghost run, pelican launch, broadsword death star trench run, climbing ladders and QTEs. This just contributes to the game having no flow whatsoever.

Halo 4 does away with this entirely.

  • 01.06.2013 7:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: BombasticBurrito
Legendary is rage-inducing.
It's not bad once you get a strategy worked out for each enemy type. By the time I finished my second legendary playthrough It barely seemed hard. Only died twice on the last level.

My biggest problems with it are that, like many people have mentioned, it's pretty much "go there and push that button, Chief!" Not to mention Chief's dialogue seems forced and unnatural. I liked him a lot better when he didn't talk much.

  • 01.06.2013 7:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Donut Funn
I just didn't like the whole "chosen one" thing.
That was definitely one of the lower points in the story for me, I definitely remember facepalming at that point. There was absolutely no need to take the story in that direction, Chief doesn't need to be told that he's an awesome dude and that everything he does was set into motion billions and billions of years ago.

The Librarian could have just said "Yeah, let's unlock your potential as a human", zapped him, and sent him merrily on his way, but 343 Industries had to go dig into their bag of cliches. A shame. Definitely the 2nd worst part of the Campaign behind Del Rio.
I know you've posted it before, so I'm sorry for asking, but why exactly do you hate Del Rio as a character?

  • 01.06.2013 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Two Words: Del Rio.

Out of curiosity, why do you hate him so much? I certainly didn't like him, but I can't really say I understand where you're coming from.
Simply put, Del Rio is not a believable character whatsoever. He's supposed to have served in the Navy for 30 years, fighting against the Covenant, and has now been put in charge of the latest and greatest ship in the UNSC fleet, but there is not a single moment in the Campaign where he does not reek of incompetancy, inferiority, and doesn't act like a level 10 asshat.

There was absolutely no need to make him as terrible and over the top as he was. For a campaign that featured some pretty believable characters like Tillsman and Lasky, I was shocked that they even allowed over the top lines like "I'm ordering you... TO SURRENDER THAT AI!" to even make it off the storyboards. I've shown that scene to a ton of people, even folks who haven't played a videogame in their life, and most of them burst out laughing at how ridiculous and unbelievable of a character he was.

Do I need to continue? I could elaborate easily if that helps you understand where I'm coming from.

  • 01.06.2013 7:11 PM PDT

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I realised that Del Rio was a badly written character when he says the cringe-worthy line "What I want to know, people, is where the hell did those things come from!?". I really wanted someone to answer his ridiculous question.

"What I want to know, people, is where the hell did those things come from!?"
"From the giant alien planet".
"What?!"
"You know.... the GIANT ALIEN PLANET that we've just found. Those things probably came from the GIANT ALIEN PLANET."
"Oh. Well..... yeah...."

I get a really strong George Lucas Phantom Menace vibe from Halo 4. You know? Terrible dialogue, absolutely bewilderingly bad storytelling.

  • 01.06.2013 7:18 PM PDT
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Your 'beliefs' mean less than dick to me.

Del Rio's definitely a jackass but I don't know about the unbelievability part. He reminds me of the boss I had when I worked at a golf course.

  • 01.06.2013 7:19 PM PDT