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Subject: I'm playing through Halo 4's campaign again.

Play. Forge. Film.


Posted by: Blacknight159
It's better than Reach. That's all I can say about it.

  • 01.06.2013 7:19 PM PDT

Posted by: flamedude
What did you think of Tillsman out of curiosity?

[Edited on 01.06.2013 7:28 PM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 7:19 PM PDT

Yay yuh!!!!!

You don't feel like it's too rushed?? I felt like you meet the Didact and kill him and that's it. I wanted more too it but I guess there are 2 more games.

  • 01.06.2013 7:20 PM PDT
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I wish I could've enjoyed it.

  • 01.06.2013 7:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
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Posted by: Hylebos
Two Words: Del Rio.

Out of curiosity, why do you hate him so much? I certainly didn't like him, but I can't really say I understand where you're coming from.
Simply put, Del Rio is not a believable character whatsoever. He's supposed to have served in the Navy for 30 years, fighting against the Covenant, and has now been put in charge of the latest and greatest ship in the UNSC fleet, but there is not a single moment in the Campaign where he does not reek of incompetancy, inferiority, and doesn't act like a level 10 asshat.

There was absolutely no need to make him as terrible and over the top as he was. For a campaign that featured some pretty believable characters like Tillsman and Lasky, I was shocked that they even allowed over the top lines like "I'm ordering you... TO SURRENDER THAT AI!" to even make it off the storyboards. I've shown that scene to a ton of people, even folks who haven't played a videogame in their life, and most of them burst out laughing at how ridiculous and unbelievable of a character he was.

Do I need to continue? I could elaborate easily if that helps you understand where I'm coming from.
Saying that Del Rio isn't a believable character is a completely valid point, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

When referring to a character in a fantasy universe, you can usually substitute the words "believable" or "realistic" with "boring." Sure, 343 went a little over the top with Del Rio, making him a hyperbole of an ass hat. But this is exactly what makes him interesting and memorable. It's easy to remember him and what he says because everything about him is so ridiculous. Taking his character to unbelievable extremes makes him hard to ignore and forces a reaction out of the player.

A major reason why Charles Dickens was considered such a great writer was because he made his characters so ridiculous and unbelievable.

  • 01.06.2013 7:21 PM PDT

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What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: COLONELSANDERSW
You don't feel like it's too rushed?? I felt like you meet the Didact and kill him and that's it. I wanted more too it but I guess there are 2 more games.

If it makes you feel better, I felt like it was rushed.

  • 01.06.2013 7:21 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I do like the campaign and have minimal problems with it.
for their very first AAA game, I think 343 did good enough.

  • 01.06.2013 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: flamedude
What did you think of Tillsman out of curiosity?


Tillson? I think she was a good character, seemed like an actual scientist the way I saw her. But then Lasky and Palmer were fine as well, it's really only Del Rio who is obviously out of place or unrealistic.

I suppose I should play it again...... but I finished it on Legendary and basically thought "Phew, well at least I don't have to ever play that again".

  • 01.06.2013 7:27 PM PDT

Posted by: MrR46
Del Rio's definitely a jackass but I don't know about the unbelievability part. He reminds me of the boss I had when I worked at a golf course.
I'm not saying that a person as rude and incompetent as him can't satistically exist, I'm saying that a person as rude and incompetent as that would never be promoted to captain of the flagship of the UNSC fleet.

  • 01.06.2013 7:27 PM PDT

I make a living of selling my body, and I don't mean sex.


Posted by: Smoke
Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
I really have no idea why people don't like it.

>It feels forced
>You need outside knowledge to understand half of it
>Boring missions and objectives
>"Flip this switch! Now hit this button!" x100
>Poor AI
Yep.

  • 01.06.2013 7:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Smoke
Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
I really have no idea why people don't like it.

>It feels forced
>You need outside knowledge to understand half of it
>Boring missions and objectives
>"Flip this switch! Now hit this button!" x100
>Poor AI
Yep.


Ha yep I agree with this. Top this off with;

>Unnecessary changes to established designs
>Squandered potential
>Warioware mini-games

  • 01.06.2013 7:32 PM PDT

Death before Dishonour.

The Floodonian Army


Posted by: Bookshelf
I loved the campaign.

  • 01.06.2013 7:37 PM PDT

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Yeah all the button pressing.... Developers need to do what Naughty Dog did with Uncharted 2. Write the story then make the game around it. Halo 4 feels pretty guilty of that. Granted most games are like that anyways.

  • 01.06.2013 7:40 PM PDT

Posted by: dtyler27106
Saying that Del Rio isn't a believable character is a completely valid point, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

When referring to a character in a fantasy universe, you can usually substitute the words "believable" or "realistic" with "boring." Sure, 343 went a little over the top with Del Rio, making him a hyperbole of an ass hat. But this is exactly what makes him interesting and memorable. It's easy to remember him and what he says because everything about him is so ridiculous. Taking his character to unbelievable extremes makes him hard to ignore and forces a reaction out of the player.

A major reason why Charles Dickens was considered such a great writer was because he made his characters so ridiculous and unbelievable.
I don't feel that making him over the top made him interesting though. He's a one dimensional character that seems to have been created soley to make Lasky seem better in comparison.

In a story that is trying to get people to take it seriously, he only hurts the credibillity of the universe, and comes off as entirely lazy. They could have easily toned him down by about 80% and portayed him as a commander that did not want to risk the lives of his crew, instead wishing to follow protcol and get reinforcements to deal with the Didact threat.

It would have made him seem more like a person rather than the walking embodiment of a cliche. Sure, if you want a memorable moment where there's a tense confrontation between Chief and Del Rio over which course of action should be taken to stop the Didact, you can do that without Del Rio shouting like an 8 year old.

I don't know nearly enough about Dicken's works to come up with a reason why making his characters unbelievable worked and making Del Rio unbelievable didn't work, but I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between the two if you look hard enough.

  • 01.06.2013 7:43 PM PDT

Hanger one I just shredded with the SMGs until ammo was out and I just threw 'nades like a boss while BRing.

My experience playing Cairo Station on Legendary

I found it a little shallow, just with better acting.

EDIT: If I never see another button pressing animation, It'll be too soon.

[Edited on 01.06.2013 7:47 PM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 7:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: COLONELSANDERSW
You don't feel like it's too rushed?? I felt like you meet the Didact and kill him and that's it. I wanted more too it but I guess there are 2 more games.

If it makes you feel better, I felt like it was rushed.
Same. It feel like it was missing one or two more levels to me.

  • 01.06.2013 7:47 PM PDT

- Hobo

I only liked it because of Cortana and Chief's story. The rest of it was boring, especially the Didact.

  • 01.06.2013 8:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: dtyler27106
Saying that Del Rio isn't a believable character is a completely valid point, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

When referring to a character in a fantasy universe, you can usually substitute the words "believable" or "realistic" with "boring." Sure, 343 went a little over the top with Del Rio, making him a hyperbole of an ass hat. But this is exactly what makes him interesting and memorable. It's easy to remember him and what he says because everything about him is so ridiculous. Taking his character to unbelievable extremes makes him hard to ignore and forces a reaction out of the player.

A major reason why Charles Dickens was considered such a great writer was because he made his characters so ridiculous and unbelievable.
I don't feel that making him over the top made him interesting though. He's a one dimensional character that seems to have been created soley to make Lasky seem better in comparison.

In a story that is trying to get people to take it seriously, he only hurts the credibillity of the universe, and comes off as entirely lazy. They could have easily toned him down by about 80% and portayed him as a commander that did not want to risk the lives of his crew, instead wishing to follow protcol and get reinforcements to deal with the Didact threat.

It would have made him seem more like a person rather than the walking embodiment of a cliche. Sure, if you want a memorable moment where there's a tense confrontation between Chief and Del Rio over which course of action should be taken to stop the Didact, you can do that without Del Rio shouting like an 8 year old.

I don't know nearly enough about Dicken's works to come up with a reason why making his characters unbelievable worked and making Del Rio unbelievable didn't work, but I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between the two if you look hard enough.
I guess that's just where it comes down to a matter of opinion. Whether 343 was actually successful at making him an interesting character depends completely on the perspective of the player.

  • 01.06.2013 8:06 PM PDT
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The campaign is really good. It really needs a scoring system

  • 01.06.2013 8:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Blacknight159
It's better than Reach. That's all I can say about it.


Thats not saying much...

  • 01.06.2013 8:17 PM PDT

Yay yuh!!!!!


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

Posted by: COLONELSANDERSW
You don't feel like it's too rushed?? I felt like you meet the Didact and kill him and that's it. I wanted more too it but I guess there are 2 more games.

If it makes you feel better, I felt like it was rushed.

Thanks I feel so much better now!

  • 01.06.2013 8:19 PM PDT


Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Seriously, this is literally one of the best video games ever.
You must not play many video games.

  • 01.06.2013 8:19 PM PDT

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Did 4 missions legendary solo and the other 4 co-op.

Most likely won't be getting that solo achievement, missions take way too long man and the Promethean Knight's are annoying as -blam!-.

  • 01.06.2013 8:21 PM PDT

Posted by: IrIsHmAn04
no its legit, i used coordinates, set weapon timers the works.


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Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Seriously, this is literally one of the best video games ever.
You must not play many video games.


Been playing games since Intelevision. Try again kid and go park that blind hate train somewhere else.

  • 01.06.2013 10:01 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better

halo 3 best halo

  • 01.06.2013 10:04 PM PDT