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Subject: Bookless school where everyone has Ipads

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Posted by: Android Spartan

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Good, feed the Apple machine.

Even as a staunch Apple supporter, I have to wonder if it really makes sense to buy iPads when there are cheaper alternatives.

School kids don't need things like high resolution retina displays and other iPad features that push the price tag higher.
Hear, hear. There's two schools in my district looking toward the iPad for use in the classroom and at home. The IT department refuses to consider using an Android tablet for a fraction of the price, and all the same available educational tools.

Considering California's economic issues, especially with education, spending that much on iPads causes concern for me.
Well clearly they know something you don't, for example I bet most students have ipods and Iphones so they have the knowledge and software to use Ipads.

No sense having androids when everybody knows how to use the "I" products.
Unless Apple is cutting the school district a MAJOR discount [which I know for a fact is only like, 15%], it's much cheaper to get a Nexus 10 for $399 [or maybe a Nexus 7 for $199] instead of an iPad 3 or 4. Considering this is an exploratory program to see how it would work for the rest of the district, sinking a ton of money into iPads seems like a bad move.

  • 01.07.2013 9:33 AM PDT

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The school I was at last year gave everyone iPads.

  • 01.07.2013 9:34 AM PDT

Good. This is a nice step forward for education. Maybe the kids might actually enjoy the readings more. Also, it cuts down costs.

Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

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  • 01.07.2013 9:35 AM PDT

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  • 01.07.2013 9:35 AM PDT

My High School gave us all laptops and my senior year I brought it maybe 4 times. Most teachers wouldn't use them and when they did people just played games and didn't pay attention.

  • 01.07.2013 9:37 AM PDT

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My High School gave us all laptops and my senior year I brought it maybe 4 times. Most teachers wouldn't use them and when they did people just played games and didn't pay attention.
The problem with introducing new tech into the classroom is two-fold.

Part 1: finding software/websites that are beneficial to the student to have access to during classtime that would warrant the use of a laptop/tablet/etc

Part 2: educating the teachers on how to integrate the tech into their lesson plans.

Part 2 is usually where things fall apart.

  • 01.07.2013 9:40 AM PDT

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I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.

  • 01.07.2013 9:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
My High School gave us all laptops and my senior year I brought it maybe 4 times. Most teachers wouldn't use them and when they did people just played games and didn't pay attention.
The problem with introducing new tech into the classroom is two-fold.

Part 1: finding software/websites that are beneficial to the student to have access to during classtime that would warrant the use of a laptop/tablet/etc

Part 2: educating the teachers on how to integrate the tech into their lesson plans.

Part 2 is usually where things fall apart.
I actually applied to a school and every student had laptops which cost more than Ipads and that was 4 going on 5 years ago.

Also the more schools that end up this way the more apps and software being specifically made to cater for it.

We have only just started my friend.

  • 01.07.2013 9:43 AM PDT


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I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.

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  • 01.07.2013 9:43 AM PDT

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I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.
having a tablet in math class wouldn't replace the pencil and paper for doing work. it would make it a lot easier for the teacher to push out assignments/examples/homework, though.

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Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The savings are there where you could pay to have it developed.

If you are a big school district and plan on rolling this out to say, 15,000 students, you could be looking at $3 million in savings going with Nexus 7 tablets over iPads.

You could pay for ports to Android or even have apps developed specifically for your district with that amount of cost savings.

  • 01.07.2013 9:47 AM PDT

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Also the more schools that end up this way the more apps and software being specifically made to cater for it.

We have only just started my friend.
Definitely. I'm really excited to see where this goes in the next couple years.

The reason it's so slow to progress right now is because adoption in school is slow. The more schools that are onboard, the more developers will see that this is a viable market, and the more software [and hardware] we'll see for educational use.

I'm stoked.

  • 01.07.2013 9:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: annoyinginge
I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.

Ever hear of My Labs Plus?

If you're suggesting that as a pen/paper alternative... stop. Right now. Turn around. Leave the thread. Never come back.

If not, please clarify.

  • 01.07.2013 9:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dredd
Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The Nexus 10 is essentially the same as the iPad, but cheaper. In the current educational environment, cost matters a LOT.

  • 01.07.2013 9:49 AM PDT

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That is happening in this school just south of fort worth.

  • 01.07.2013 9:51 AM PDT

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I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.

Having a tablet in math class wouldn't replace the pencil and paper for doing work. It would make it a lot easier for the teacher to push out assignments/examples/homework, though.

Really? In my lessons, questions are all from the exercise books and writing is done on paper. We don't use photocopied sheets or anything. I simply can't see any opening for an iPad.

When we have electronic paper you write on just like the original stuff, I'll be all in favour of digitization. Until then, I can't help thinking it's a gimmicky waste of money.

  • 01.07.2013 9:52 AM PDT


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Posted by: Dredd
Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The savings are there where you could pay to have it developed.

If you are a big school district and plan on rolling this out to say, 15,000 students, you could be looking at $3 million in savings going with Nexus 7 tablets over iPads.

You could pay for ports to Android or even have apps developed specifically for your district with that amount of cost savings.

That seems really unnecessary when the Android tablet will be obsolete in a few months since the so many computer companies use the OS. There's no hardware standard and it would be pointless and expensive to constantly update the tablets. An android phone from 2 years ago isn't even supported by the company that made it (usually). Apple supports their products for quite a long time and there's a set standard for all their product lines.

And are there figures in regards to development costs on each platform?

  • 01.07.2013 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Dredd
Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The Nexus 10 is essentially the same as the iPad, but cheaper. In the current educational environment, cost matters a LOT.

That's understandable, but quality and consistency should come first. As well as ergonomics. I already explained most of my stance in a previous post, but I will say that right now, iOS gives kids a much more ergonomic and simple presentation of content. It's not crowded with unnecessary UI features and gets to the point.

  • 01.07.2013 9:55 AM PDT

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Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The Nexus 10 is essentially the same as the iPad, but cheaper. In the current educational environment, cost matters a LOT.

That's understandable, but quality and consistency should come first. As well as ergonomics. I already explained most of my stance in a previous post, but I will say that right now, iOS gives kids a much more ergonomic and simple presentation of content. It's not crowded with unnecessary UI features and gets to the point.
I'm starting to think you've never used an Android device after Gingerbread, and you're just regurgitating Apple talking points.

  • 01.07.2013 9:56 AM PDT

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My girlfriend goes to Early College Academy, where she basically takes both high school and college classes at a community college, and all the students in ECA, which are about like a few hundred, get iPads instead of books.

None of them have lost or broken them yet. I think it's a great alternative comsidering how many books the students use to carry around, almost about their size.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 9:58 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2013 9:56 AM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

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Did someone seriously suggest a Nexus 10 as if apple hasn't alreat dominated the electronic education market? Not to mention android OS is terrible for edu purposes.

The Nexus 10 is essentially the same as the iPad, but cheaper. In the current educational environment, cost matters a LOT.

That's understandable, but quality and consistency should come first. As well as ergonomics. I already explained most of my stance in a previous post, but I will say that right now, iOS gives kids a much more ergonomic and simple presentation of content. It's not crowded with unnecessary UI features and gets to the point.
I'm starting to think you've never used an Android device after Gingerbread, and you're just regurgitating Apple talking points.

I've used both. It's just a simple fact that reading content on an iPad is just better. And Apple has a lot more educational content. But hey, think what you want. The school district agrees.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:01 AM PST]

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Posted by: annoyinginge
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I don't even want to imagine going through a maths lesson without a pad of paper and a pen. Having to write everything on an iPad would be akin to torture.

Having a tablet in math class wouldn't replace the pencil and paper for doing work. It would make it a lot easier for the teacher to push out assignments/examples/homework, though.

Really? In my lessons, questions are all from the exercise books and writing is done on paper. We don't use photocopied sheets or anything. I simply can't see any opening for an iPad.

When we have electronic paper you write on just like the original stuff, I'll be all in favour of digitization. Until then, I can't help thinking it's a gimmicky waste of money.
Did you even watch the video??

It shows teachers watching what the kids have done, everybody has access to the same material and they don't need pen and paper.

Not only is it lowering the need for stationary but also books and tons of paper, the tablets are an all in 1. I imagine you can use a pen and paper if you want but if we stick with the pen and paper then whats the point of trying to find alternatives.

And with that mind set of "if it works why fix it?" we won't get anywhere. Think about it Pencils and pens have been around so long because nothing has been able to replace them, now something has come along and now its time to replace them.

  • 01.07.2013 10:15 AM PDT

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Did you even watch the video??

No.

It shows teachers watching what the kids have done, everybody has access to the same material and they don't need pen and paper.

I still fail to see an advantage. Everybody already has access to the same materials, and teachers can already see what you're doing. And no, they don't need pen & paper, just like I don't need an iPad. That isn't an implicit advantage.

Not only is it lowering the need for stationary but also books and tons of paper, the tablets are an all in 1.

You're substituting one use of resources for another. The tablets save on paper, but they use more of other materials, not to mention electricity. Also not to mention they're still no good for writing on in a maths class.

I imagine you can use a pen and paper if you want but if we stick with the pen and paper then whats the point of trying to find alternatives.

There's no point in either changing or staying as you are for the sake of it. I already said, I'll support a change when there's a superior alternative. Right now, there isn't one.

And with that mind set of "if it works why fix it?" we won't get anywhere. Think about it Pencils and pens have been around so long because nothing has been able to replace them, now something has come along and now its time to replace them.

No, something has not come along, for the reasons I've stated above.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:23 AM PST]

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