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Subject: Protest to ban Gun shows

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Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

Gun shows should by no means be banned, but holy hell, at least have SOME form of regulation. At the very least, make it required to provide proof of a cleared background check and psychological exam or something. I understand that there are many independent vendors who are nothing more than collectors selling their stock, but have them comply with these regulations or forbid them to participate in the show.
Were these gun shows held in someone's back yard, or a back alley, perhaps?


Probably out of the trunk of an '82 Caddy down in Santa Ana.
I had jury duty at the Santa Ana courthouse a few weeks ago...

No thanks.

  • 01.07.2013 11:29 AM PDT

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I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

If you witnessed such events, you were witnessing a crime. I hope that you reported it.

An assault rifle requires specific conditions to be owned and transferred (as has been the case since 1934).

Your use of the term "military grade" to denote a firearm is odd. Interesting, but odd. There is no such thing. A firearm is either military or it is not. If you are saying "it LOOKS like a military arm", then that is silly. There is no functional difference between a "ranch rifle" and a civilian-legal Armalite action rifle. If you are about to call them "high powered", be careful there too. The 5.56/.223 cartridge is considered and classified as an "intermediate" cartridge. It is neither "high powered" or "military grade".

I am also impressed with your ability to notice that there were no legal checks, AND you could tell who was "anti-social".

In all, I am skeptical of your claims simply because they are dubious and use inflammatory, inaccurate and skewing adjectives.
Assault rifles and assault weapons aren't the same thing. It's a ridiculous term though.

  • 01.07.2013 11:34 AM PDT

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  • 01.07.2013 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

Gun shows should by no means be banned, but holy hell, at least have SOME form of regulation. At the very least, make it required to provide proof of a cleared background check and psychological exam or something. I understand that there are many independent vendors who are nothing more than collectors selling their stock, but have them comply with these regulations or forbid them to participate in the show.
Were these gun shows held in someone's back yard, or a back alley, perhaps?


Probably out of the trunk of an '82 Caddy down in Santa Ana.


Try the Westland Gun Show in Columbus.

  • 01.07.2013 11:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

Gun shows should by no means be banned, but holy hell, at least have SOME form of regulation. At the very least, make it required to provide proof of a cleared background check and psychological exam or something. I understand that there are many independent vendors who are nothing more than collectors selling their stock, but have them comply with these regulations or forbid them to participate in the show.
Were these gun shows held in someone's back yard, or a back alley, perhaps?


Probably out of the trunk of an '82 Caddy down in Santa Ana.


Try the Westland Gun Show in Columbus.
If this really happened, you should really call the police or something.

  • 01.07.2013 11:41 AM PDT

I go to gun shows to collect coins and paper money and eat GREAT beef jerky and turkey jerky.

  • 01.07.2013 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

Gun shows should by no means be banned, but holy hell, at least have SOME form of regulation. At the very least, make it required to provide proof of a cleared background check and psychological exam or something. I understand that there are many independent vendors who are nothing more than collectors selling their stock, but have them comply with these regulations or forbid them to participate in the show.
Were these gun shows held in someone's back yard, or a back alley, perhaps?


Probably out of the trunk of an '82 Caddy down in Santa Ana.


Try the Westland Gun Show in Columbus.
If this really happened, you should really call the police or something.


I simple cannot take him seriously with what he said.

Look at Recon's post last page.

  • 01.07.2013 11:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18
I simple cannot take him seriously with what he said.

Look at Recon's post last page.

Lol. Yep.

I detect shenanigans.

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Posted by: Elfionnio11

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Elfionnio11
Even though I'm in support of further restrictions I think this is a bit ridiculous.


I am curious, what do you support?

Very serious background checks and personal guns only being handguns.
Also you could have rifle under a hunting licence or sport.


Yet only 440 people were murdered with a rifle type firearm, while over 1000 people were murdered with a handgun, and more were murdered with a baseball bat.

  • 01.07.2013 11:46 AM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: ErranInfigo

Posted by: Elfionnio11

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Elfionnio11
Even though I'm in support of further restrictions I think this is a bit ridiculous.


I am curious, what do you support?

Very serious background checks and personal guns only being handguns.
Also you could have rifle under a hunting licence or sport.


Yet only 440 people were murdered with a rifle type firearm, while over 1000 people were murdered with a handgun, and more were murdered with a baseball bat.
In 2011, it was (in the USA) 6,220 with handguns, 356 with shotguns, 323 with rifles, 1694 with knives and 728 unarmed. Rifles are not the problem.

  • 01.07.2013 11:52 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
As someone who has been to several gun shows, I can tell you that gun shows are probably where the most serious lapses in regulation occurs. I could buy and walk out with unregistered assault weapons with no background check or anything. The last one I was at horrified me because of all the obviously antisocial people buying military-grade weapons.

If you witnessed such events, you were witnessing a crime. I hope that you reported it.

An assault rifle requires specific conditions to be owned and transferred (as has been the case since 1934).

Your use of the term "military grade" to denote a firearm is odd. Interesting, but odd. There is no such thing. A firearm is either military or it is not. If you are saying "it LOOKS like a military arm", then that is silly. There is no functional difference between a "ranch rifle" and a civilian-legal Armalite action rifle. If you are about to call them "high powered", be careful there too. The 5.56/.223 cartridge is considered and classified as an "intermediate" cartridge. It is neither "high powered" or "military grade".

I am also impressed with your ability to notice that there were no legal checks, AND you could tell who was "anti-social".

In all, I am skeptical of your claims simply because they are dubious and use inflammatory, inaccurate and skewing adjectives.

When you work in the medical field (particularly EMS), you tend to pick up telltale signs of antisocial people. It's part of your training. I'm pretty sure when, from start to finish, the customer walks up to the vendor, picks up the weapon, hands the vendor cash, and walks out, no background check has taken place. The police were walking around all over the place. If there was a problem, it was within their duty to handle it, especially considering that this seemed to be commonplace at this particular show. Granted, I have no knowledge of sales law as it pertains to gun shows. I assume it is no different than a private transaction through Craigslist or the like. I could be wrong, but my assumption was that if the police weren't doing anything about it, then it was legal if only technically. I'm not sure those laws apply to the private sales of firearms (provided of course that such a sale is actually legal), which was clearly what was taking place for about 40% of the show.

I fail to see anything inflammatory about my post. I simply posted my experiences from the gun shows I have attended and my opinion on the lax (again, lax from what I observed) regulations. I do hope that in the furtue you will abstain from attempting to invalidate my experiences when you weren't there. Our gun show experiences differ, obviously. That doesn't mean my experiences were any less valid.

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  • 01.07.2013 11:53 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: SpartanMk18
I simple cannot take him seriously with what he said.

Look at Recon's post last page.

Lol. Yep.

I detect shenanigans.


Yep, you're right. I'm lying.

Good job.

  • 01.07.2013 11:57 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
I fail to see anything inflammatory about my post. I simply posted my experiences from the gun shows I have attended and my opinion on the lax (again, lax from what I observed) regulations. I do hope that in the furtue you will abstain from attempting to invalidate my experiences when you weren't there.

I wasn't attempting to invalidate your experience, but rather point out that your statements about it, your terms, and your conclusions were subjective and prejudicial.

You say that you saw illegal acts take place, and now that law enforcement was there and allowed it to happen? This further increases my doubt as to the accuracy of your evaluation. Not the fact that you had an experience and you believe that your assessment of it is accurate, but rather I am skeptical of your conclusion(s).

You use of the term "assault weapon" and "military grade" and the ability to (EMS experience or not) label someone as "anti-social when you were observing them, but most likely not interacting with them, is all that I need to know that you have a opinion (that while is valid and yours to have/hold) is based on incorrect assumptions.

  • 01.07.2013 12:02 PM PDT

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  • 01.07.2013 12:03 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: Recon Number 54
You say that you saw illegal acts take place, and now that law enforcement was there and allowed it to happen? This further increases my doubt as to the accuracy of your evaluation. Not the fact that you had an experience and you believe that your assessment of it is accurate, but rather I am skeptical of your conclusion(s).

Aren't firearm sales laws different from state to state? Concealed carry laws are. It would stand to reason that sales laws would be no exception to state-to-state discrepancies. I'm pretty sure private sales of firearms without background checks are legal in Ohio. I just started looking up our private firearms sales laws, and what I'm finding thus far is that no background check is required for private gun sales (which is what I have thought for all the time I've lived here), which a lot of the vendors I'm referring to were non-established private collectors. This was not occurring at the the established vendor stands like Black Wing.


You use of the term "assault weapon" and "military grade"
If they are or ever have been in military service, that's what I call them. Apologies for the inaccuracy of that nomenclature, but it does not detract from my overall point that regulation at gun shows is lax.

and the ability to (EMS experience or not) label someone as "anti-social when you were observing them, but most likely not interacting with them, is all that I need to know that you have a opinion (that while is valid and yours to have/hold) is based on incorrect assumptions.
It's true that you can't say for certain who is antisocial or not without proper interaction, but again, we're trained to look for signs of antisocial behavior. Such judgment calls are essential to our safety on a scene, so most of us are pretty good with them. We don't just run around calling everybody antisocial. Regardless of that training, day-to-day interaction with such individuals (which is very common) also plays a role in identifying them. You cannot call these incorrect assumptions unless you have a base with which to refute them. I have my experience in the field and I have what I saw at these shows. Again, regardless of how you try to sugarcoat it, you are attempting to invalidate my experience by proxy of labeling my assessments as "baseless assumptions" which is further downright insulting my experience in my field. In any case, this still does not detract from my assertion that gun shows are lax in regulation.

Perhaps you are misinterpreting my original post (be it by my mistake or yours) that there were dozens of people like this buying guns. This was not the case. I only saw two people that threw up red flags for me between the shows that I've been to.

You can be as skeptical as you want, but it does nothing to suggest that gun show regulations are not in need of revision/improvements.

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  • 01.07.2013 12:25 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Fact: The Columbine shooters got their guns at gun stores and gun shows

  • 01.07.2013 12:27 PM PDT

Let's ban car shows 'cause bad drivers wreck.

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  • 01.07.2013 12:28 PM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Fact: The Columbine shooters got their guns at gun stores and gun shows
Fact: so did hundreds of millions of law-abiding citizens.

  • 01.07.2013 12:30 PM PDT

Stop banning me please.

yes. You can get guns at a show wihtout background checks or license

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Posted by: destroys u
Posted by: ErranInfigo

Posted by: Elfionnio11

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Elfionnio11
Even though I'm in support of further restrictions I think this is a bit ridiculous.


I am curious, what do you support?

Very serious background checks and personal guns only being handguns.
Also you could have rifle under a hunting licence or sport.


Yet only 440 people were murdered with a rifle type firearm, while over 1000 people were murdered with a handgun, and more were murdered with a baseball bat.
In 2011, it was (in the USA) 6,220 with handguns, 356 with shotguns, 323 with rifles, 1694 with knives and 728 unarmed. Rifles are not the problem.


Hands and knives are obviously the problem.

We should ban hands.

  • 01.07.2013 12:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: XxExpungexX
yes. You can get guns at a show wihtout background checks or license


No, you can't, not legally.

  • 01.07.2013 12:32 PM PDT

Stop banning me please.


Posted by: ErranInfigo

Posted by: XxExpungexX
yes. You can get guns at a show wihtout background checks or license


No, you can't, not legally.

You can in texas

  • 01.07.2013 12:32 PM PDT

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Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


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lol at anyone who blames inanimate objects instead of our piss-poor healthcare.
The healthcare system is inanimate.

  • 01.07.2013 12:32 PM PDT

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lol at anyone who blames inanimate objects instead of our piss-poor healthcare.
The healthcare system is inanimate.
Lol

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