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Subject: How did Johnson survive Halo:CE?

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
-Nietzsche

This is something that has bothered me for a while, so maybe someone more versed in Halo canon has the answer. At the end of Halo:CE, you destroy Installation 04 by overloading the reactors on the crashed Pillar of Autumn. After escaping on the fighter, Cortana does a scan and declares there are no human life signs remaining.

Yet, somehow Johnson survives. How? If he was evacuated by Echo 419 at some point, to where?

  • 01.07.2013 9:27 AM PDT

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There is a book titled First Strike that covers the events between Halo and Halo 2. Trying not to spoil anything for you, but Johnson escapes on a pelican with a pilot and a marine or two. They meet up with the Chief and escape.

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I am wrong people.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:39 AM PST]

  • 01.07.2013 9:30 AM PDT

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
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Ah, I've heard of it. I'll pick it up. Thanks!
Posted by: prometheus25
There is a book titled First Strike that covers the events between Halo and Halo 2. Trying not to spoil anything for you, but Johnson escapes on a pelican with a pilot and a marine or two. They meet up with the Chief and escape.

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Posted by: prometheus25
There is a book titled First Strike that covers the events between Halo and Halo 2. Trying not to spoil anything for you, but Johnson escapes on a pelican with a pilot and a marine or two. They meet up with the Chief and escape.

  • 01.07.2013 10:08 AM PDT

The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.

  • 01.07.2013 10:09 AM PDT

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My understanding is Johnson was going to die so they made up some quick story seeing he was rapidly becoming popular then put it into book for to give him a flimsy escape plot.

On Legendary on CE he hugs an Elite then it explodes as Master Chief flies off in his Longsword. So now they put him into HALO 2 with a story that he made it off etc.

Did not officially kill him till H3 when 343GS blasted him with its eye beam weapon. Its kinda flimsy he made it off but hey i do like Sgt. Johnson.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:13 AM PST]

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Posted by: Mister Rollback
The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring.

Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:27 AM PST]

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Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: Mister Rollback
The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring.

Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time.


Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.


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  • 01.07.2013 10:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: Mister Rollback
The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring.

Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time.


Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.


Oh so he did not die in HALO CE in the cut scene on Legendary when MC flys off with Cortana ? He teleported on board. It was an attempt to keep him alive for next two games. It conflicts with the Game so the book rewrites that he lives.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 10:39 AM PST]

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Posted by: Haloroach

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: Mister Rollback
The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring.

Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time.


Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.


You are so very wrong.


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  • 01.07.2013 10:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: Mister Rollback
The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring.

Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time.


Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.


Oh so he did not die in HALO CE in the cut scene on Legendary when MC flys off with Cortana ? He teleported on board. It was an attempt to keep him alive for next two games. It conflicts with the Game so the book rewrites that he lives.


There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.

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Posted by: ajw34307
There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.
But what about this?

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Posted by: ajw34307
There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.
But what about this?
Yep exactly even bungie admitted to trying to kill off Sgt.Johnson the first time but support grew for him so they kept him in the next two games when he officially died in Halo 3.

  • 01.07.2013 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.
But what about this?


Obviously it's a non-canonical joke, a reward for those who finished the game on Legendary. To even suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous...

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  • 01.07.2013 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: ajw34307
There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.
But what about this?


Obviously it's a non-canonical joke, a reward for those who finished the game on Legendary. To even suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous...
I was just wondering.

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Read First Strike, questions will be answered.

  • 01.07.2013 12:54 PM PDT

Have none of just thought of the obvious?

He IS Johnson for Halo's sake!

  • 01.07.2013 1:18 PM PDT


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Posted by: CrabbySpider
That's classified.


Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point!


lol, that was my first thought too.

  • 01.07.2013 1:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: CrabbySpider
That's classified.


Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point!


You dont need to read anything, the game tells you that he got out somehow but it cannot being discussed at the moment. The game acknowledges that something happen and if you want to know more go read a book.

That's totally different from Halo 4 just leaving stuff out completely and ignoring it.

BTW, Johnson is hardly an important plot point.


[Edited on 01.07.2013 3:07 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2013 2:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: CrabbySpider
That's classified.


Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point!


You dont need to ready anything, the game tells you that he got out somehow but it cannot being discussed at the moment. The game acknowledges that something happen and if you want to know more go read a book.

That's totally different from Halo 4 just leaving stuff out completely and ignoring it.

BTW, Johnson is hardly an important plot point.


Acknowledging that there is a problem doesn't fix it; obviously he got out, no one had to tell us this. You still have a problem. If anything, reason would dictate that that's even worse. You acknowledge a problem and don't even bother trying to fix it? That's laziness right there.

And what, exactly, did 343i not even address? They addressed the Covenant problem in Halo 4, and gave more than enough hints and clues towards what was going on for someone to figure it out with some thought. All of the plot points brought up about the Didact that were necessary to the story were all explained, if not through the campaign, than the terminals.

I just don't get what was so hard to figure out about it.

Finally, Johnson is important, as he is the only living anchor to humanity for the Chief, and his best friend.

[Edited on 01.07.2013 3:05 PM PST]

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