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Subject: Forget Noah, this is God's Ark
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Yeah, but he likes Gamecube -blam!- because it has no blood or anything too violent, so I don't go to my church for the LAN parties (usually it's SSBM and racing games), and if you cuss, they make you leave, so I need to find a church like yours, more modern.

  • 07.07.2006 11:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Iridorin
Yeah, but he likes Gamecube -blam!- because it has no blood or anything too violent, so I don't go to my church for the LAN parties (usually it's SSBM and racing games), and if you cuss, they make you leave, so I need to find a church like yours, more modern.

I think the term you are looking for is "reformed."

  • 07.07.2006 11:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Iridorin
Yeah, but he likes Gamecube -blam!- because it has no blood or anything too violent, so I don't go to my church for the LAN parties (usually it's SSBM and racing games), and if you cuss, they make you leave, so I need to find a church like yours, more modern.


Haha, the guys that come over to play Halo after school are definitely NOT the normal church crowd. They cuss and call each other noobs and freak out- the rest of the church staff always comes in and makes us shut the door because everyone is so loud. My thing is that you should just accept people where they are, and not try to make them change their behavior up front.

  • 07.07.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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Meh, same thing.

EDIT: Meant for Zerodev's post.

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  • 07.07.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pwnocchio
Ok, if the game was based on Norse mythology (which is true as well), and people made a lot of ties into Norse stories and Halo, would some of you still freak out as much, and get angry that "religious" people read too much into the Norse thing? My guess is no- some people need to learn to leave their prejudices out of threads and discussions.
I'm not prejudiced. I just think that there's too many religious theories on this forum.

Besides, it's ironic; one of the Bungie.net rules clearly states that no religious discussion is allowed.

  • 07.07.2006 11:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Pwnocchio
Ok, if the game was based on Norse mythology (which is true as well), and people made a lot of ties into Norse stories and Halo, would some of you still freak out as much, and get angry that "religious" people read too much into the Norse thing? My guess is no- some people need to learn to leave their prejudices out of threads and discussions.
I'm not prejudiced. I just think that there's too many religious theories on this forum.

Besides, it's ironic; one of the Bungie.net rules clearly states that no religious discussion is allowed.

Haha, probably because they knew eventually someone would figure out the core of their game is based on the bible.

  • 07.07.2006 11:22 PM PDT
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Bungie is pretty clever, aren't they?

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Pwnocchio
Ok, if the game was based on Norse mythology (which is true as well), and people made a lot of ties into Norse stories and Halo, would some of you still freak out as much, and get angry that "religious" people read too much into the Norse thing? My guess is no- some people need to learn to leave their prejudices out of threads and discussions.
I'm not prejudiced. I just think that there's too many religious theories on this forum.

Besides, it's ironic; one of the Bungie.net rules clearly states that no religious discussion is allowed.


Haha, there are also too many "superbouncing" threads and too many "new models in MP" threads, as well. I just tend to ignore the ones that I think are excessive :)

As for religious discussion- the topic is about themes that are present (or assumed to be present by the poster) in the game. I don't think there's anything wrong with fleshing that out. It just makes it harder when people come in and flame and then start arguing back and forth- it really detracts from the discussion that goes on, that's all.

And as for "Halo doesn't relate to the Bible", here is a quote from an interview with Chris Butcher, Bungie developer:

Chris Butcher: As far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. The parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of Bungie has more than a corner of the big picture. And we only have two corners.

  • 07.07.2006 11:25 PM PDT
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If that is God in the ship (well, you know what I mean), why would he be fighting Cortana?

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  • 07.07.2006 11:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ExoByte
Waterwarrior:

You should relax a bit. The game has religious ties and hints in it. All people are doing it discovering them and trying to figure out whats going on in Bungies head.

Anyway, very, very well thought out post. An interesting read and it makes a lot of sense :)
Try as you might, you never will fugure out what Bungie is thinking. Actually I bet someone has in some terribly worded, grammatically deficient, obscure no name post that everyone dismissed as pure idiocy. 'Cuz dat how we roll, cuz. You dig?

  • 07.08.2006 12:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: ExoByte
Waterwarrior:

You should relax a bit. The game has religious ties and hints in it. All people are doing it discovering them and trying to figure out whats going on in Bungies head.

Anyway, very, very well thought out post. An interesting read and it makes a lot of sense :)
Try as you might, you never will fugure out what Bungie is thinking. Actually I bet someone has in some terribly worded, grammatically deficient, obscure no name post that everyone dismissed as pure idiocy. 'Cuz dat how we roll, cuz. You dig?


You know, I've really considered that. Sometimes I visit threads with "OMG!" titles. The content sometimes may be rife with mispellings, but I get the feeling that the author knows more than he/she is letting on.

Posted by: ChiefofAntarctic
If that is God in the ship (well, you know what I mean), why would he be fighting Cortana?

Probably a similar reason behind Exodus 20:3-4 You shall have no other gods before me. Well, if Cortana can be seen as a god (little "g").
It could be as simple as protecting an important piece of hardware from potentially malevelant software.

It looks like things have settled down, but it never ceases to amaze me.
People just don't want halo to have ties to the Bible.
Either they don't know enough about halo... or the don't know enough about the Bible to make those connections.
Maybe both.
Some may only know just enough, but despise the idea anyway because they don't want to see something the love "polluted" by something they hate.

Along with the interview with Chris Butcher saying halo's story is sort of a Biblical allegory, there is another interview floating around HBO where Marty O'Donnell was asked where the name for "Truth and Reconciliation" came from.
He flat out said "The Bible".

Every time I post these sorts of things, there's always that special someone who can't stand what's being said. But each time they seem angrier and angrier. I take that to mean I'm getting better and better at this.

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I knwo not everyone is a christian, I, for one am an athiest, however, I view christianity more philosophically. Also, I don't think that in the middle of that forerunner structure Jesus will pop out. Not that tied into religion, it's just interesting when people's story can be compared with the bible or freudian stuff. Like Evangalion, adds to the mystery of it, and that series was awesome.

I'm not even gonna read what I wrote, I'm sure it's just stupid ranting.

  • 07.08.2006 6:09 AM PDT

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Well, Jesus' character is seen in other places in halo. Jesus as mediator, scapegoat and the ressurected. Chief, Arbiter, and Johnson... respectively.

I'm saying that the halos (and subsequently, the Ark) release I AM.

  • 07.08.2006 7:22 AM PDT
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OK finally seeing someone else here who knows about the two arks.

I am really offended at people's take on theories when ever they say a bible or some religous text link.

I will make it clear, when people say there are biblical or other religous text references they are not trying to force upon or promote a dogma but are instead using common goal tales from these texts to try and communicate a common theme.

Such as if I usd an analogy from david and goliath it has nothign to do with worship or even religion but merely has to do with a simple story told depicting underdog mentality.

In this case while there is reference to god made directly in his link it does not promote or even talk about worship or dogma at all. Nor does it explore spirituality (basically beleiving in higher existance though not necessarily great just other than our current ability, after world and such though not implying any type of religion or dogma or any form of order that gets tacked in later).

His reference to god being in the ark is most likely going to be translated to a form of ultimate power of destruction or such (you have to be pretty powerful to wipe an entire galaxy clean of life with no collateral damage to the planets).

So while god it's self (if existant in the haloverse) may have nothing to do with this ark it is more a description of unbelievable power held within the ark with a possible sentience (most likely similar to the monitors) somehow in control of this power.

Also many religous texts are used in many day to day stories of many kind with no true suggestion to the religion it's self. Such as I can draw a connection to any large scale conflict and link it to the battle of armageddon.
Or numerous other little links due to the vastness of similarites given in many religous texts (of many beliefs not just monotheistic) such as the matrix being a revamp of many hindi views yet it does not directly suggest that actual form of belief.

So just chill out dude, just because we draw reference from a common source (many people have at least some knowledge of some religous material which makes for an easy basis of comparison as opposed to using limited reference from novels (which bungie has also done) which may lose some of the deeper meanings of man yactions or events. Does not mean we are religous zealots trying to prove all things are connected to biblical or any other religous text or views, hell I my self am agnostic but that doesn't mean I can't read a religous text to see what peopel are suing as reference.

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Matrix has a conglomerate of different influences in it.
Christianity, I think, is the most cited in the matrix, but there's also a lot of Buddhist influence in it as well.

I don't know how many religious faces there are to halo, but I know there are more influences than my Bible.

  • 07.08.2006 3:40 PM PDT

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How so?

  • 07.08.2006 3:52 PM PDT
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for anybody bashing ice for his biblical theories, i'll just say it's totally reasonable for ice to say what he wants because bungie staff (including martin o'donnell speaking for Jason Jones) say they're religious

One particular quote comes to mind, "Well we are religious guys, I think a lot of the religious stuff in Halo comes from Jason Jones, and the imagery is all him and he likes to fit it into the Halo story."

The guys at bungie can make the game however they want, and if they want to use some biblical stuff, why not?

article: http://www.xe360.com/article/Halo_3/3450.html

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Personally, I've always wanted to see someone analyze Halo for parallels to the Qur'an...

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  • 07.08.2006 4:11 PM PDT
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god isnt real...science is

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Just soooo youuu knnooooow.

Your links are broke.

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Posted by: VELOCITY 7000
god isnt real...science is


I'd love to discuss this with you, but I'd rather not be banned. Send me a PM if you wish to talk.

Edited because debate was not the right word.

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  • 07.08.2006 4:16 PM PDT
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sure lets debate!! i bet i can come up with sooooo many more reasons to prove "his" non-exsitence!!!


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Posted by: Kilwan
Just soooo youuu knnooooow.

Your links are broke.


if you mean mine, it's not broken

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  • 07.08.2006 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kilwan
Just soooo youuu knnooooow.

Your links are broke.


if you mean mine, it's not broken

Probably my links.
They tend to do that when I edit.

And thanks for that link, Jeeves. It's another arrow for my quiver.

  • 07.08.2006 5:40 PM PDT