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Wow... good thoery.

  • 07.10.2006 7:08 AM PDT

Posted by: IceWeasel
I forgot to mention an important note that really reinforces my "I AM" theory.
It's well accepted that the highlight color for the forerunner technology is blue.
From the 3 beam towers in the level Halo, of halo: ce, the phase pulse generators that probably feed those towers (two betrayals/assault on the control room), to the near-fire of halo I05.
Blue.
It's everywhere.

In Jewish culture, blue is a symbol very closely related to God. But that's vaguely speaking.
I have a tallit, or prayer shawl. The design for a tallit (prayer shawl) is specified in the book of numbers, I believe.
It's full of symbols to remind them of things. The tassles have 5 knots, a reminder for the first 5 books in the Bible, the pentateuch, or The Law.

Relevantly speaking, prayer shawls are also required to have blue stripes on them.
Blue is to remind the believer to pray.
Also, when God was seen on Mt. Sainai, He was allegedly seen on a saphire surface.

Blue, the color of drawing close to God, the I AM, the ultimate Sapience (sentience).


I'm sorry - I've held my tongue so far, I can't any longer. You're a crackpot. Now you're attributing the relative frequency of the colour blue to some deep-seated religious meaning? If you are going to draw such wildly tenuous links, you could find symbolism for any subject you choose in Halo. In fact you could find it in anything, with that kind of reasoning. You are welcome to your theories but I find it impossible to believe anyone would objectively credit them.

  • 07.10.2006 7:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: IceWeasel
I forgot to mention an important note that really reinforces my "I AM" theory.
It's well accepted that the highlight color for the forerunner technology is blue.
From the 3 beam towers in the level Halo, of halo: ce, the phase pulse generators that probably feed those towers (two betrayals/assault on the control room), to the near-fire of halo I05.
Blue.
It's everywhere.

In Jewish culture, blue is a symbol very closely related to God. But that's vaguely speaking.
I have a tallit, or prayer shawl. The design for a tallit (prayer shawl) is specified in the book of numbers, I believe.
It's full of symbols to remind them of things. The tassles have 5 knots, a reminder for the first 5 books in the Bible, the pentateuch, or The Law.

Relevantly speaking, prayer shawls are also required to have blue stripes on them.
Blue is to remind the believer to pray.
Also, when God was seen on Mt. Sainai, He was allegedly seen on a saphire surface.

Blue, the color of drawing close to God, the I AM, the ultimate Sapience (sentience).


I'm sorry - I've held my tongue so far, I can't any longer. You're a crackpot. Now you're attributing the relative frequency of the colour blue to some deep-seated religious meaning? If you are going to draw such wildly tenuous links, you could find symbolism for any subject you choose in Halo. In fact you could find it in anything, with that kind of reasoning. You are welcome to your theories but I find it impossible to believe anyone would objectively credit them.

I don't care.
Who said anything about being objective?

Symbolism in stories is very important.

You already read what I wrote about blue.
Consider purple. Consider penitence. Sorrow for sin.
Every "jail" you see in halo, they are really penitentiaries. They have the distinctive circular (or near circular) shape of a penitentiary. Not only that, they are all purple. Purple is the color of the advent, that of penitence.

Why do you think the blood of the covenant is mostly purple and blue?

  • 07.10.2006 7:34 AM PDT

Posted by: IceWeasel
Why do you think the blood of the covenant is mostly purple and blue?

Because they are aliens perchance?

What are you talking about, every "jail"? You say it like they pop up all the time. I can think of one in Halo and one in Halo 2, and only the second one has a semi-circular pattern.

Conclusion? You're off your rocker mate.

  • 07.10.2006 7:43 AM PDT
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That line you linked to would make a great badass line for the Chief.

  • 07.10.2006 7:55 AM PDT
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I also believe Halo has a strong religious background in it !!! I've just started reading the bible because of it !!! Anyway I believe that the seven Halos represent the seven angels of Revelation .

  • 07.10.2006 7:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: IceWeasel
I forgot to mention an important note that really reinforces my "I AM" theory.
It's well accepted that the highlight color for the forerunner technology is blue.
From the 3 beam towers in the level Halo, of halo: ce, the phase pulse generators that probably feed those towers (two betrayals/assault on the control room), to the near-fire of halo I05.
Blue.
It's everywhere.

In Jewish culture, blue is a symbol very closely related to God. But that's vaguely speaking.
I have a tallit, or prayer shawl. The design for a tallit (prayer shawl) is specified in the book of numbers, I believe.
It's full of symbols to remind them of things. The tassles have 5 knots, a reminder for the first 5 books in the Bible, the pentateuch, or The Law.

Relevantly speaking, prayer shawls are also required to have blue stripes on them.
Blue is to remind the believer to pray.
Also, when God was seen on Mt. Sainai, He was allegedly seen on a saphire surface.

Blue, the color of drawing close to God, the I AM, the ultimate Sapience (sentience).


There was a theory on hbo a little while about the color coding of the different races. I don't know if you saw it, and it's a different take, but it's interesting to note that both you and this poster believe that the species' colors are symbolic.
http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive24.pl?read=724396

I honestly found the original poster's description of color to be pretty confusing, so what I pulled out of it was this:
'In color vision theory, a common way to describe colors is an 'opponent-color' space. Red and green form one opponent pair, and yellow and blue form the other opponent pair. Therefore, _very_ roughly speaking, the Prophet color (red) opposes the Human color (green), and the Forerunner color (blue) opposes the Flood color (yellow).'

  • 07.10.2006 10:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: ibshimo2
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Just because there is obvious and subtle Biblical allegory does not mean IceWeasel or any of the rest of us believe God created Halo, or that we believe Halo is a real world. This belongs in the Halo 3 forum just as much as every "how does the MC take a crap" thread.


I think that this thread has lasted 90+ posts and IceWeasel's previous Halo 3 forum thread lasted more than 300 is good evidence that his threads are appropriate, at least to those who hold the power. Knock on wood.




Again, good work, Ice. Don't let the bastards get you down.

I second that emotion.

Posted by: Ad_Hominum
Personally, I've always wanted to see someone analyze Halo for parallels to the Qur'an...

Really?
What have you seen?


I would be interested in seeing that, too, not knowing much about the Qur'an. What little I do know is that 'jihad', or holy war, is actually three steps. The first is the war with oneself, the second is the war within your community, and the third (and most commonly known) is the war with those outside your community. I believe that 'war', in this case, is not necessarily literal, but deals with overcoming doubts and sceptism.
Anyway, the story of the Arbiter fits nicely in that scheme. First, he must convince himself of the truth, then his brethren elites, then go to war with the prophet-allied covenant.


Under the same point, The Great commision? get right with yourself (salvation) Spread to you city, then state, county etc. (sory for paraphrasing, really tired.

It could be either, really, both deal with the exponentially increasing responsibilities of the one who undertakes the task.

  • 07.10.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: VELOCITY 7000
as i have said earlier god isnt real "he" is just a figment of imagination.
If you bring up something that could offend someone's religion, then I am afraid I will have to report you. : (

  • 07.10.2006 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: IceWeasel
Why do you think the blood of the covenant is mostly purple and blue?

Because they are aliens perchance?

What are you talking about, every "jail"? You say it like they pop up all the time. I can think of one in Halo and one in Halo 2, and only the second one has a semi-circular pattern.

Conclusion? You're off your rocker mate.

Well, the concept of prison DOES pop up all the time.
Only once in halo CE, but in halo 2 it's all over the place.
In the conversations of the universe packet the prophet of supposition wonders why the flood are imprisoned on halo. There are two prison locations in halo 2, both with the number 12 as an important root. And then there is Tartarus, the greek prison for the titans. Don't forget the song "Destroyer's Invocation" which plays 3 times in the game, each time when somebody is being let out of prison or is about to be let out of prison.
"I live in a prison of my own demise".

Oh yeah, and the Arbiter. Read the "Art of Halo"? The dude is practically a mobile prison sentence.

Prison is all over the place in halo, and every single "physical" occurence of prison is in a wash of purple light.
Even the forerunner cells the councilors were held in were behind purple walls. And the forerunner aren't the race/species/conglomerate known for so much purple.

The point is this: even minute symbolism is relevant in Halo's "under-story". I don't know about you, but I think the creators are genius enough to employ such motifs and symbols.

Off my rocker?
I just think you approach this whole thing with a closed mind.
Would you agree?
No, of course you wouldn't.

  • 07.10.2006 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: cabooseistheone
id like to think halo is based off religion with the covenant and the ark, but that will ruin my sci-fi experience with halo........... all hail the magic cookie!!!!

Can you explain how that would ruin your sci-fi experience with halo?

I wouldn't see how someone would be put off by an allegorical work... unless the REALLY hated the allegories.

  • 07.10.2006 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: IceWeasel
Why do you think the blood of the covenant is mostly purple and blue?

Because they are aliens perchance?

What are you talking about, every "jail"? You say it like they pop up all the time. I can think of one in Halo and one in Halo 2, and only the second one has a semi-circular pattern.

Conclusion? You're off your rocker mate.

But you can't just ignore everything. You have to admit that this is a pretty large coincidence. What you denounced was just a bit from the larger picture. I'm not a devout Christian, but I do happen to think that these connections aren't just a huge coincidence that Bungie happened to put in Halo.

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i have to tell you something cause it said so in the biblie dosen't mean it's related to halo i mean look at me in the eyes of a chirstian i'm heritic i don't belive in god or any form of divine creature i think that we as people should stop asking the bible for are halo problems let's put are heads toghether for a second if god was in the ark then wouldn't this tie to chirstianty one point bungie wouldn't make a game focused on one religion people would get mad second indiana jones has nothin to do with halo third cortana said the presences in the ship is a covenant construct forth a ship could power a giant floating city i mean come on it's the forerunners they could have made it have super engines or somethin just cause it can power the city dosen't mean it's the ark

  • 07.10.2006 2:15 PM PDT

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Sure.
But did you read the note from Revelations 11?
Very close to the trailer, me-thinks.
Posted by: Ganon2
i have to tell you something cause it said so in the biblie dosen't mean it's related to halo i mean look at me in the eyes of a chirstian i'm heritic i don't belive in god or any form of divine creature i think that we as people should stop asking the bible for are halo problems let's put are heads toghether for a second if god was in the ark then wouldn't this tie to chirstianty one point bungie wouldn't make a game focused on one religion people would get mad second indiana jones has nothin to do with halo third cortana said the presences in the ship is a covenant construct forth a ship could power a giant floating city i mean come on it's the forerunners they could have made it have super engines or somethin just cause it can power the city dosen't mean it's the ark

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no i never read the bible cause i don't belive in god if there is one he likes misery cause without misery there is no happiness sorry thinkin of somethin else when i said pain

[Edited on 7/10/2006]

  • 07.10.2006 2:40 PM PDT

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You wouldn't have to read the Bible to have seen that passage. It was posted in this thread.

Here, I'll post it again.
Revelation 11:1919Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

  • 07.10.2006 2:45 PM PDT
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i read that part but if it's in the bible dosen't mean it's in halo

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You know Ice, i love your theories, and i know youve defintly done your research. I myslef am christian, but i dont think its fair to those of other religions for Halo to suddenly become biblical. I do agree Halo has a lot of biblical refrences, but i honetsly dont think that Halo 3 will contain any christian material (besides the Flood, and Ark refrences). Not everyone on this earth is christian, and we need to respect that.

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Posted by: TheToxicity
You know Ice, i love your theories, and i know youve defintly done your research. I myslef am christian, but i dont think its fair to those of other religions for Halo to suddenly become biblical. I do agree Halo has a lot of biblical refrences, but i honetsly dont think that Halo 3 will contain any christian material (besides the Flood, and Ark refrences). Not everyone on this earth is christian, and we need to respect that.
i agree

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damn you are really well thought out in this.

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I've always thought that it had some biblical over tones, even before i played it, why? Simple, so many things have biblical references within them it almost becomes natural. One game that is like this is Diablo 2 for the pc...if you have played it and do not realize these references then simply don't comment... I've never actually thought of the ark of the cov. though, it's always been noah for me. When you find out that halo wipes the galaxy clean of sentient life to kill the flood, and that it has been activated before, you wonder how there still remains life. Then it hit me with the ark saving and the flood destroying.

Really good job, kudos.
Oh almost forgot, i was suprised you saw that it was aaron's staff...everyone always thinks it was moses' staff that did every plague and basically anything involved with a staff for some reason...although that simply isn't true.

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no the ark just's activates the halos no protection from them

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It is a pretty well thought-out theory. But I think that the big Forerunner thing that is being dug up on Earth needs the Forerunner Ship to be activated. Kind of like a key. That would make since that Truth did a slipspace jump to Earth. Just thought I would throw that out there in case no one else has yet. The engine(s) on the Forerunner Ship powered High Charity for how many years? So they have power, and maybe the only thing with enough power to activate the Ark, or whatever the structure is that's buried on Earth.

So, good idea, bad one, or has someone else already thought of it?

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  • 07.10.2006 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ganon2
no the ark just's activates the halos no protection from them


Yeah, we know that the Ark activates them, but we dont know if it really protects them from it. I wish everyone would quit assuming that.

  • 07.10.2006 2:58 PM PDT