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  • 07.07.2006 10:40 PM PDT

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I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

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Well The Banshee can be cheap when you have nothing but an SMG!

  • 07.07.2006 10:41 PM PDT
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It would be quite unbalanced if the Banshees didn't have a common weakness. Anyway, the Wraith and the Scorpion should be weaker than they are now and players should spawn with a strong weapon like a Rifle and the Sword shouldn't have a very long lunge and the Plasma Pistol should have a less effective homing ability.

  • 07.07.2006 10:44 PM PDT
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You can call it whatever you want but it's still cheap. Besides, using a Banshee isn't a strategy. It's just a cheap, unskilled tactic.

  • 07.07.2006 10:48 PM PDT
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They use it because it's extremely effective, but that doesn't mean that it should be extremely effective in a videogame. Balance should not be sacrificed for a little bit of realism.

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  • 07.07.2006 10:53 PM PDT
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So far, everything is "cheap" and doesn't take "skill". Now I've heard just about everything. These people think no matter how you get killed is considered cheap and doesn't take "skill". Go make your own game that takes u3er skill and balance. I'll bet you anything it's going to suck.

What would vehicles be in Halo if it suddenly wasn't dependent on your health? You may protest that now, but I can almost guarantee you have flocks more complaining afterwards when a Scorpion can only be killed by a Rocket Launcher or Wraith.

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  • 07.07.2006 10:55 PM PDT

There should be a balance, but I'd like to see some weapon differences as I'm sure there will be with the AR coming back. I don't want to play Halo 2 in Halo 3. I look forward to some changes.

  • 07.07.2006 10:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
there are some things in halo 2 that i think are just lame, such as the shotgun, and SMGs killing banshees in MP

i think that these gameplay issues need to be changed for halo 3 to make them more realistic, such as making the shotgun more consistent, and making sure that banshees can only be destroyed by heavy weapons , not SMGs and pistols, as is stated in both halo 1 and 2 manuals

what do you guys think about these issues? do they need to be changed in halo 3, or stay the same?


Well, if you're going for "realism", then the Halo series might not be for you. There are teleporters, aliens, plasma weapons, flying spaceships, and worst of all- respawns. I don't know if things should be changed based on their realism, but rather, what makes it the most fun for the most people.

  • 07.07.2006 10:59 PM PDT
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So far, everything is "cheap" and doesn't take "skill". Now I've heard just about everything. These people think no matter how you get killed is considered cheap and doesn't take "skill". Go make your own game that takes u3er skill and balance. I'll bet you anything it's going to suck.

Counter-Strike is very balanced and skilled, and it's probably one of the most popular games ever. Halo 1 was very balanced and skilled, and it was a great game. By the way, I never said that everything is unbalanced and unskilled. I just said that the Banshee is cheap and unskilled, and so far, you haven't proven me otherwise.

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What would vehicles be in Halo if it suddenly wasn't dependent on your health? You may protest that now, but I can almost guarantee you have flocks more complaining afterwards when a Scorpion can only be killed by a Rocket Launcher or Wraith.

Actually, I'd be glad if the Scorpion could have several weaknesses, and that's my point. Reread my post.

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  • 07.07.2006 11:00 PM PDT
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If the Banshees wings are shot off, it should -blam!- spiral out of control and crash, not do a perfect barrel roll.

  • 07.07.2006 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
the banshee should be more like a tank in its effectiveness as a weapon, and not just something you look for when you want to charge into the enemy base.

air support has always been coveted by armies in history, and that should be no different in halo. i'm not saying that the banshee should be invincible, just much harder to kill with the weaker weapons

Once again, balance should not be sacrificed for a little bit of realism. Halo 2 would be even more unbalanced than it is now if the Banshee was any stronger.

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You have to give the foot soldiers something. Vehicles can't dominate everything!!! I think the weapons should be balanced better. Return them more like they were on halo 1.

  • 07.07.2006 11:06 PM PDT

The Wraith does not need to be weakened at all. The Wraith is nearly defenseless against a turret or Banshee. It only takes two direct rockets (without overshield) to destroy it, and many times have I killed and been killed by a SMG(s) and grenades. The Wraith is actually a pretty balanced vehicle for the most part. I wish it had SOME kind of defense against Banshees though.

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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
there are some things in halo 2 that i think are just lame, such as the shotgun, and SMGs killing banshees in MP

i think that these gameplay issues need to be changed for halo 3 to make them more realistic, such as making the shotgun more consistent, and making sure that banshees can only be destroyed by heavy weapons , not SMGs and pistols, as is stated in both halo 1 and 2 manuals

what do you guys think about these issues? do they need to be changed in halo 3, or stay the same?


Well, if you're going for "realism", then the Halo series might not be for you. There are teleporters, aliens, plasma weapons, flying spaceships, and worst of all- respawns. I don't know if things should be changed based on their realism, but rather, what makes it the most fun for the most people.


i'm not going for total realism, and the way your post came off makes your sound like a know-it-all ass. if you would have understood my position, you would have realized that i was talking about specific gameplay issues, not general themes. if you're going to try to show yourself as a superior intellect, show it to someone who will actually buy it


Haha, not flaming you, partner. Calm down :)

What I read in your post was a critique on things that make the game less realistic. Personally, I think that realism is something that was tossed out once they included the first alien, or gravity lift, or sticky grenade, or futuristic war soldier. And I'm not exactly sure how it makes me an ass to say that I think the game should do what is going to be the most fun for the most people , I just really feel like that's how it should be made. I don't think they should tweak things based on realism.

  • 07.07.2006 11:10 PM PDT
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The Wraith does not need to be weakened at all. The Wraith is nearly defenseless against a turret or Banshee. It only takes two direct rockets (without overshield) to destroy it, and many times have I killed and been killed by a SMG(s) and grenades. The Wraith is actually a pretty balanced vehicle for the most part. I wish it had SOME kind of defense against Banshees though.


i wish that the wraith had the close in defense guns that were used in campaign. i don't understand why they weren't put in because they would be just like the machine gun on the scorpion


Yeah- I also wish that the banshee had the same bombs they did in the campaign game. It would make it that much more useful.

  • 07.07.2006 11:12 PM PDT
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The Wraith does not need to be weakened at all. The Wraith is nearly defenseless against a turret or Banshee. It only takes two direct rockets (without overshield) to destroy it, and many times have I killed and been killed by a SMG(s) and grenades. The Wraith is actually a pretty balanced vehicle for the most part. I wish it had SOME kind of defense against Banshees though.


i wish that the wraith had the close in defense guns that were used in campaign. i don't understand why they weren't put in because they would be just like the machine gun on the scorpion


Yeah- I also wish that the banshee had the same bombs they did in the campaign game. It would make it that much more useful.

Yeah, but Bungie said they took that out to prevent it from becoming a god vehicle, death from above, like a tank with wings.

  • 07.07.2006 11:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kaiyuss
The Wraith does not need to be weakened at all. The Wraith is nearly defenseless against a turret or Banshee. It only takes two direct rockets (without overshield) to destroy it, and many times have I killed and been killed by a SMG(s) and grenades. The Wraith is actually a pretty balanced vehicle for the most part. I wish it had SOME kind of defense against Banshees though.

It may be defenseless against a Turret or a Banshee, but that's not really saying much. They're already overpowered. Besides, players shouldn't need a Banshee or a Rocket Launcher or a Turret just to have a fair chance to take out a Wraith.

Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
i agree that the banshee should not be totally realistic, just made more resilient to the point that players will actually want to get in it for purposes other than commiting suicide, which is generally what happens. you may not be killed by a rocket or a tank, but by a guy with one SMG. look at it from the perspective of the banshee pilot who was just killed by one SMG and maybe you will understand my point a little more

The Banshee has the ability to boost away from enemies, and if a player is close enough to shoot them with the SMG, then they can probably ram them to death. If somebody who's in a Banshee got killed by somebody with an SMG, then they deserved that death.

Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
i wish that the wraith had the close in defense guns that were used in campaign. i don't understand why they weren't put in because they would be just like the machine gun on the scorpion

The Wraith can boost, so that makes it pretty effective at close ranges. I don't think that it really needed the Plasma Cannons.

Posted by: Pwnocchio
Yeah- I also wish that the banshee had the same bombs they did in the campaign game. It would make it that much more useful.

The Banshee can boost, and it can do Barrel Rolls and Backflips, and it can ram enemies pretty easily, so I don't think that it really needed the Fuel Rod Cannons.

  • 07.07.2006 11:15 PM PDT

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