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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
There are way too many religious theories...


Cant we just get off of this Halo = Bible stuff...

Im a Christian and i feel it is rediculous to compare a VIDEO GAME to the bible. It really doesnt matter, it doesnt better your understanding of the game, it is just busy work and conspiracy. Just wait patiently for the game and find out what it is all about then.

  • 07.07.2006 11:44 PM PDT
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Kind of like Barbosa coming back in Pirates of the Caribbean 2 (oops *spoiler alert*)


NO! I was gonna see it tomorrow!

Haha, sorry, oh well, there's at least 6 twists in it, so no worries (and BTW, was I telling the truth? Ahhh...that'll keep you on your seat).

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And as for "Halo doesn't relate to the Bible", here is a quote from an interview with Chris Butcher, Bungie developer:

Chris Butcher: As far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. The parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of Bungie has more than a corner of the big picture. And we only have two corners.
That doesn't make any sense. That would imply that we essentially know how Halo 3 is going to end. Besides, that is one guy from bungie talking. I doubt that the whole company looks at the game as a parallel to the bible.

Furthermore...Chris said "CAN be looked at," meaning that it probably wasn't their intention.

Wow, you are really trying to make yourself believe the story has nothing to do with the Bible. Face it, you're wrong, and it does. Please stop trying to get these threads locked, they're valid and thoughtful threads. If you don't like them, don't read them.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

So you explained to me what my own thoughts were. Would you like a cookie or something?

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
it is certainly well thought out, but i like to think that halo is its own story and not connected to the bible

if it was connected to the bible, then wouldn't we certainly know the end of the story? the humans win and the covenant and flood destroyed? i (no offense) think bungie is a little more creative than to basically copy their story from the bible, although they may have taken some elements from it
That is exactly how I feel. Personally, I think the only things Bungie used from the bible are the number 7 and 117.

First, read the quote from above.

Second: The Flood, the Ark, the Covenant, and John have nothing to do with the Bible, eh? That's just to name the very obvious.
1--The Flood. Their name implies that they "flood" in from all sides, like the infection forms in Halo 1.

2--John. It's an average name.
3--The Ark. Well, it sure as hell doesn't save people from flood; it KILLS people to starve the flood.

4--The Covenant. Maybe it's just some cool name. Maybe not everything has an underlying meaning. In this sense, the "ark of the covenant" makes no sense because in the games, the ark doesn't belong to the covenant.


You're right- maybe it just means what you say it does, maybe they have double meanings. So what's the harm in speculation? :)

With any major entertainment medium, (art, movies, literature, etc) if it is done well and has some depth, there are going to be many different things you can draw from it. I think that is part of what makes certain stories so timeless and classic- because you can apply all sorts of traditions, philosophies, and theologies from them, because there are bits of truth that echo from them. For you, you find enjoyment in the story for the story's sake, and that's awesome. For others, though, they find enjoyment in seeing different literary references (Cortana quotes T. S. Eliot in the Halo 3 trailer), or the moral issues (redemption, salvation, etc) or even the religious ones. That's part of what makes the Halo franchise so great- it can mean many things to many different viewers.

It's not "blind faith"- it's having an open mind. I find value in your interpretation of Halo's story, and my own. Why is that wrong? I totally agree with you, though- for people that think it's BASED on the Bible, that's certainly stretching it. I think there are many elements from many different sources in there, and that's part of what enriches the narrative.

[Edited on 7/7/2006]

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Posted by: Pwnocchio
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Zerodev
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
it is certainly well thought out, but i like to think that halo is its own story and not connected to the bible

if it was connected to the bible, then wouldn't we certainly know the end of the story? the humans win and the covenant and flood destroyed? i (no offense) think bungie is a little more creative than to basically copy their story from the bible, although they may have taken some elements from it
That is exactly how I feel. Personally, I think the only things Bungie used from the bible are the number 7 and 117.

First, read the quote from above.

Second: The Flood, the Ark, the Covenant, and John have nothing to do with the Bible, eh? That's just to name the very obvious.
1--The Flood. Their name implies that they "flood" in from all sides, like the infection forms in Halo 1.

2--John. It's an average name.
3--The Ark. Well, it sure as hell doesn't save people from flood; it KILLS people to starve the flood.

4--The Covenant. Maybe it's just some cool name. Maybe not everything has an underlying meaning. In this sense, the "ark of the covenant" makes no sense because in the games, the ark doesn't belong to the covenant.


You're right- maybe it just means what you say it does, maybe they have double meanings. So what's the harm in speculation? :)

With any major entertainment medium, (art, movies, literature, etc) if it is done well and has some depth, there are going to be many different things you can draw from it. I think that is part of what makes certain stories so timeless and classic- because you can apply all sorts of traditions, philosophies, and theologies from them, because there are bits of truth that echo from them. For you, you find enjoyment in the story for the story's sake, and that's awesome. For others, though, they find enjoyment in seeing different literary references (Cortana quotes T. S. Eliot in the Halo 3 trailer), or the moral issues (redemption, salvation, etc) or even the religious ones. That's part of what makes the Halo franchise so great- it can mean many things to many different viewers.
No, I think you are right. I was just trying to kid myself earlier when I posted that.

Then again, I do see what you mean...that is a good way of looking at it....thanks. Sorry if I sounded pissed earlier.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

It's fine that you think it's silly, that doesn't make you right, though. It's like having a math problem solved in front of your face, but you believe the answer is something else. That doesn't mean you can't believe that, but it does mean you're wrong.

And who said anything about blind faith? Besides, faith, by its nature, is blind. Otherwise it wouldn't really be faith, would it?


[Edited on 7/7/2006]

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I think bungie got information from the bible to use because they wanted to keep us busy so we wouldnt pester them while making halo 3. Its obviously working outstandingly.

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Bungie would not make the Master Chief fill the role of Christ; it's blasphemous.

The Master Chief may be similar to Christ, but many things stand out.
- Jesus doesn't wear MJOLINR armor
- Jesus' name is Jesus, not John
- Jesus is immortal


The most important thing is, however, is that Jesus Christ, the son of God and the Holy Spirit, is not a killer.

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Posted by: Zerodev
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

It's fine that you think it's silly, that doesn't make you right, though. It's like having a math problem solved in front of your face, but you believe the answer is something else. That doesn't mean you can't believe that, but it does mean you're wrong.
Yeah, in case you missed it, I pretty much established that fact all over my post.

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
I think bungie got information from the bible to use because they wanted to keep us busy so we wouldnt pester them while making halo 3. Its obviously working outstandingly.

Yes, there are absolutely not multiple threads about weapons, storyline, vehicles, or anything else on this forum. We're all completely distracted by this Bible stuff.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Yeah, in case you missed it, I pretty much established that fact all over my post.

Well then forgive me for thinking you were being sarcastic.

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Posted by: Zerodev
Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
I think bungie got information from the bible to use because they wanted to keep us busy so we wouldnt pester them while making halo 3. Its obviously working outstandingly.

Yes, there are absolutely not multiple threads about weapons, storyline, vehicles, or anything else on this forum. We're all completely distracted by this Bible stuff.


Well, i feel it takes about 50 times more research to come up with a Halo = Bible theory than to come up with a new weapon. Dont you agree?

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Posted by: Zerodev
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Yeah, in case you missed it, I pretty much established that fact all over my post.

Well then forgive me for thinking you were being sarcastic.
Yeah, it did sound like I was being sarcastic....to be honest, though, it was a serious post.

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
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I think bungie got information from the bible to use because they wanted to keep us busy so we wouldnt pester them while making halo 3. Its obviously working outstandingly.

Yes, there are absolutely not multiple threads about weapons, storyline, vehicles, or anything else on this forum. We're all completely distracted by this Bible stuff.


Well, i feel it takes about 50 times more research to come up with a Halo = Bible theory than to come up with a new weapon. Dont you agree?

Could be true, yes. Then again, there could be thousands of 12-to-15-year-olds racking their brains trying to come up with a new weapon this very moment. You never know.

The point is, there are connections there, as plain as day or hidden within the storyline.

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Still, i feel it is more building on other's theories than coming up with your own unique ones. It takes a good deal more creativity to think up a Halo ending/beggining sequence than to just read similarities from 2 stories. I bet, that you can connect almost ANY story to the Bible. Lord of the Rings was connected to it, Mary Shelly's Frankenstien can be connected to it. ANYTHING can be connected to the bible. So why is Halo so important?

The bible wont tell you anything about the halo storyline, just that there are similarities. It wont progress you anywere, it is just, as i have said, busywork.

  • 07.08.2006 12:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
Still, i feel it is more building on other's theories than coming up with your own unique ones. It takes a good deal more creativity to think up a Halo ending/beggining sequence than to just read similarities from 2 stories. I bet, that you can connect almost ANY story to the Bible. Lord of the Rings was connected to it, Mary Shelly's Frankenstien can be connected to it. ANYTHING can be connected to the bible. So why is Halo so important?

The bible wont tell you anything about the halo storyline, just that there are similarities. It wont progress you anywere, it is just, as i have said, busywork.


Yeah, pretty much. It's just fun for some people. Kind of like reading posts on a forum won't get me anywhere but it's fun. And playing Halo won't get me anywhere, but it's a pretty nice way for me to spend my time (within reason). I'm just not sure what exactly you're trying to say here :)

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
Still, i feel it is more building on other's theories than coming up with your own unique ones. It takes a good deal more creativity to think up a Halo ending/beggining sequence than to just read similarities from 2 stories. I bet, that you can connect almost ANY story to the Bible. Lord of the Rings was connected to it, Mary Shelly's Frankenstien can be connected to it. ANYTHING can be connected to the bible. So why is Halo so important?

The bible wont tell you anything about the halo storyline, just that there are similarities. It wont progress you anywere, it is just, as i have said, busywork.

Because this is a Halo 3 forum. If this was a LoTR forum, we could be connecting them in different ways, yes. The Bible has so many stories it can be hard not to connect things to it.

In the end, we really don't know what the Bible will tell us about the storyline. Like that guy from Bungie said, the parallels are deeper than we even realize, so we may or may not be on the right tracks. It's fun to speculate, and just like any other thread, ignore the Biblical ones if you don't like them.

It's amazing how much of a fight religion causes, when it should be the other way around....

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Yes, true. Im just tired of all the religious connections. I want Halo to be halo, and nothing else. If we keep connecting it to all these things, then it will cease to be an original story, and become a biblical story retold with minor twists and different characters.

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Despite the connections, Halo will always be unique. I mean, did the Bible have aliens and plasma weapons? Despite the allegory, Halo made a story for itself.

[Edited on 7/8/2006]

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
Yes, true. Im just tired of all the religious connections. I want Halo to be halo, and nothing else. If we keep connecting it to all these things, then it will cease to be an original story, and become a biblical story retold with minor twists and different characters.


For some people, it might be that, and I think that's ok. Personally, I don't think it will become that at all- I think that there are allegories and symbols there, but I don't think it's a retelling of the Bible by any means.

The problem is, you're working under the assumption that Halo wasn't influenced by anything, and that it's totally original. Problem is, everyone copies everyone. Take the "Ringworld" novels, for instance. Halo borrows from Ringworld like CRAZY. Heck, Bungie even borrows from their own games- ie., all the similarities between Marathon and Halo.

[Edited on 7/8/2006]

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Posted by: Pwnocchio
Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
Yes, true. Im just tired of all the religious connections. I want Halo to be halo, and nothing else. If we keep connecting it to all these things, then it will cease to be an original story, and become a biblical story retold with minor twists and different characters.


For some people, it might be that, and I think that's ok. Personally, I don't think it will become that at all- I think that there are allegories and symbols there, but I don't think it's a retelling of the Bible by any means.

The problem is, you're working under the assumption that Halo wasn't influenced by anything, and that it's totally original. Problem is, everyone copies everyone. Take the "Ringworld" novels, for instance. Halo borrows from Ringworld like CRAZY. Heck, Bungie even borrows from their own games- ie., all the similarities between Marathon and Halo.

These days it's almost impossible to be completely original.

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True, but it is nice to keep things seperate, rather than taking everything and mixing them, comparing them, judging them.

  • 07.08.2006 12:32 AM PDT